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Splicing Romex Buck Turgidson 04-05-2008
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Posted by Doug Miller on April 5, 2008, 6:49 pm
>I need to lengthen some old wiring in order to make all the wires of a 3-way
>switch come together in a recessed lighting box that I am installing in a
>first floor ceiling (no insulation).
>
>In doing some web research, I see that splices can be done, but they must be
>done in a junction box, and must be accessible.
>
>It is the second part that is confusing me. How can I make the junction box
>accessible when I just need to lengthen the wire by about a foot in the
>ceiling of a finished area? It wouldn't be a big deal to remove the light
>fixture, but "accessible" to me means the box is visible or in some access
>door.

What "accessible" means _to_you_ is not relevant. What _is_ relevant is its
meaning in the National Electrical Code: "Capable of being removed or exposed
without damaging the building structure or finish, or not permanently closed
in by the structure or finish of the building."

What's above the ceiling?

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Posted by on April 5, 2008, 9:20 pm
On Sat, 05 Apr 2008 22:49:38 GMT, spambait@milmac.com (Doug Miller)
wrote:

>>I need to lengthen some old wiring in order to make all the wires of a 3-way
>>switch come together in a recessed lighting box that I am installing in a
>>first floor ceiling (no insulation).
>>
>>In doing some web research, I see that splices can be done, but they must be
>>done in a junction box, and must be accessible.
>>
>>It is the second part that is confusing me. How can I make the junction box
>>accessible when I just need to lengthen the wire by about a foot in the
>>ceiling of a finished area? It wouldn't be a big deal to remove the light
>>fixture, but "accessible" to me means the box is visible or in some access
>>door.
>
>What "accessible" means _to_you_ is not relevant. What _is_ relevant is its
>meaning in the National Electrical Code: "Capable of being removed or exposed
>without damaging the building structure or finish, or not permanently closed
>in by the structure or finish of the building."
>
>What's above the ceiling?

Actually if you can remove the new ceiling box and access the old one
witthout disturbing the buildiing finish it is accessible. That is the
way you get to the box in a recessed can.
I am thinking big hole, big goof ring around the luminaire, preferably
with a big base.



Posted by RBM on April 5, 2008, 7:04 pm

>I need to lengthen some old wiring in order to make all the wires of a
>3-way switch come together in a recessed lighting box that I am installing
>in a first floor ceiling (no insulation).
>
> In doing some web research, I see that splices can be done, but they must
> be done in a junction box, and must be accessible.
>
> It is the second part that is confusing me. How can I make the junction
> box accessible when I just need to lengthen the wire by about a foot in
> the ceiling of a finished area? It wouldn't be a big deal to remove the
> light fixture, but "accessible" to me means the box is visible or in some
> access door.
>
> Thanks.

The junction box of most recessed fixtures is designed for feed through
splices. Although it is essentially buried in the ceiling, it is legal
because it's accessible by simply removing part of the fixture . In you
situation, you may have too many conductors in the box
>
>



Posted by Terry on April 5, 2008, 11:42 pm

>
>>I need to lengthen some old wiring in order to make all the wires of a
>>3-way switch come together in a recessed lighting box that I am installing
>>in a first floor ceiling (no insulation).
>>
>> In doing some web research, I see that splices can be done, but they must
>> be done in a junction box, and must be accessible.
>>
>> It is the second part that is confusing me. How can I make the junction
>> box accessible when I just need to lengthen the wire by about a foot in
>> the ceiling of a finished area? It wouldn't be a big deal to remove the
>> light fixture, but "accessible" to me means the box is visible or in some
>> access door.
>>
>> Thanks.
>
>The junction box of most recessed fixtures is designed for feed through
>splices. Although it is essentially buried in the ceiling, it is legal
>because it's accessible by simply removing part of the fixture . In you
>situation, you may have too many conductors in the box
>>
>>
>
If you can get to it from the attic that is considered accessible too.


Posted by Phisherman on April 5, 2008, 10:37 pm
On Sat, 5 Apr 2008 17:00:11 -0400, "Buck Turgidson"

>I need to lengthen some old wiring in order to make all the wires of a 3-way
>switch come together in a recessed lighting box that I am installing in a
>first floor ceiling (no insulation).
>
>In doing some web research, I see that splices can be done, but they must be
>done in a junction box, and must be accessible.
>
>It is the second part that is confusing me. How can I make the junction box
>accessible when I just need to lengthen the wire by about a foot in the
>ceiling of a finished area? It wouldn't be a big deal to remove the light
>fixture, but "accessible" to me means the box is visible or in some access
>door.
>
>Thanks.
>


A regular electrical box with a solid plate cover, secured in place
with a screw is the usual. A plate might look untidy or perhaps
unprofessional by an inspector, and in that case buy a longer Romex
piece or move the fixture.

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