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Split 15A Plug Question twilliamsx 02-11-2007
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Posted by on February 11, 2007, 2:25 am


We've had some problems recently with seemingly random flickering of
lights.
It doesn't affect all circuits but consistenly affects the same
circuit breakers,
usually the A side but sometimes the B. By moving the hot wire to a
different
breaker the flickering on a particular circuit, say the family room
would stop.
Had an electrician in who checked the fuse panel connections and found
nothing there. The utility co. came twice to check their connection up
to the meter and it all looks good.
It seemed to get worse recently with the wall oven and furnace
shutting down
if they were both on at the same time. Furnace would run fine if the
wall oven
circuit breaker was off while the wall oven was OK if the furnace
breaker was off. While investigating which circuits were affected and
checking the wiring of plugs on the "bad" circuits I discovered that
one of the kitchen split plug circuits was not wired in the same
manner. The first plug had the red wire connected to the top
receptacle and black to the bottom. Neutral pigtailed to the other
side with the tab still present. The 2nd plug on that circuit had the
red wire connected to the bottom receptacle and the black to the top.
I reversed the wires on the 2nd plug to make it consistent with the
first. Didn't really expect it to solve my problem but since then
there has been no flickering on any circuits. Now the furnace and wall
oven can
both run at the same time. I just switched those wires today so I
don't know if
the problems will start up again. The first plug has nothing on it and
the 2nd has
a microwave plugged into the top receptacle and an extension cord with
toaster and coffemaker plugged into the bottom receptacle. Most of the
time all 3 appliances are off. Their use didn't seem to coincide with
the flickering.
I don't understand how just switching the wires could have solved
anything. Unless there was an open or poor connection on the neutral
side which got fixed when I reattached the wires. Anybody have some
ideas? Thanks for your help.


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Posted by Joseph Meehan on February 11, 2007, 7:01 am


twilliamsx@rogers.com wrote:
> We've had some problems recently with seemingly random flickering of
> lights.
> It doesn't affect all circuits but consistenly affects the same
> circuit breakers, ..


Your are almost certainly having problems with a bad neutral connections
somewhere.

This is serious and dangerous. My first boss burned down his first
photo studio because it. Do take this problem as something more important
that an inconvenience.

Do you have aluminum wiring? That stuff has known problems.

In any case it means the neutral wires (the white one) is not properly
connected all the way back to the breaker box. Hunting down the problem is
not always easy and the procedure is not easy to explain. You can have a
pro come in or if you feel confident in your abilities (I have no way of
knowing them) you can try opening up each outlet along the way and making
sure all the white wires re tightly connected including those in the breaker
box.

It is possible that it may be outside your home all the way to the
transformer. You don't mess with that stuff if it can't be found in your
home (it sounds like it is in your home) then contact the electric company.

Good Luck


--
Joseph Meehan

Dia 's Muire duit




Posted by on February 11, 2007, 1:24 pm


>
> Your are almost certainly having problems with a bad neutral connections
> somewhere.
>

Thanks, Joseph. It does seem to be the neutral side. Plan to get some
prfessional help.

Tom


Posted by dpb on February 11, 2007, 11:07 am


On Feb 11, 1:25 am, twillia...@rogers.com wrote:
> ...had ... random flickering of lights.
> ...[not] all circuits but consistenly affects the same
> circuit breakers...[and] moving the hot wire to a
> different breaker the flickering on a particular circuit...stop[s].
> Had an electrician in who checked the fuse panel connections and found
> nothing there. The utility co. came twice to check their connection up
> to the meter and it all looks good.
...

OK, you've isolated it to a few specific circuits and pretty
conclusively shown it to be neutral-side related as the symptoms were
alleviated by moving the "hot".

It is also pretty conclusive that it isn't the feed to the main panel
as the symptoms are isolated to individual circuits as well -- a feed
neutral problem would affect the whole house, not individual circuits
and I'd put pretty high confidence in the utility company finding
something in two visits if it were theirs.

...
> one of the kitchen split plug circuits was not wired in the same
> manner. The first plug had the red wire connected to the top
> receptacle and black to the bottom. Neutral pigtailed to the other
> side with the tab still present. The 2nd plug on that circuit had the
> red wire connected to the bottom receptacle and the black to the top.
> I reversed the wires on the 2nd plug to make it consistent with the
> first. Didn't really expect it to solve my problem but since then
> there has been no flickering on any circuits. ...

This makes no sense to me as described -- that would seem to have put
two "hots" of different circuits on the same receptacle which would
have either put 240V on the outlet if fed from opposite buss or made a
dead short if the same side when breakers on. Unless one or the other
of the red or black isn't a feed but just a traveler cable and changed
wire colors -- possible, but would wonder why on an outlet? These
switched and split outlets, I presume? Maybe I'm reading your
description wrong, but something seems peculiar.

As for the flickering apparently being resolved by the above action,
I'm guessing if it is, the supposition you made of fixing a poor
neutral connection was the problem.

I'd continue on these circuits checking connections at all locations
for good connections, particularly if any of them were wired initially
w/ the "backstab" terminations or if any of this is aluminum wiring.
If the latter, I'd get the electrician back and ask for inspection by
a pro of the quality/condition of connections.


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