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Story about home power tools mm 03-24-2008
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Posted by Tomes on March 25, 2008, 10:59 pm
> Tomes wrote:
>> "dadiOH" :
>>>> mm :
>>>>> Heard on the radio just now -- heard it before too -- that there
>>>>> was a big influx into Baltimore of workers from West Virginia and
>>>>> Virginia and Carolina during the war and maybe other times, and
>>>>> Black and Decker used to rent power tools to the shipyard(s?)
>>>>> here. ?According to someone quoting Mr. Decker, he noticed --
>>>>> didn't say exactly when -- that people were taking the tools home
>>>>> and bringing them back, and he asked them why, and was told "I
>>>>> can get so much done with these things at home." ?And after that,
>>>>> Black and Decker started selling the tools through hardware
>>>>> stores.
>>>>
>>>> sad they cut to junk quality, B&D is known as disposable tools
>>>
>>> B&D has various grades of tools as do many other manufacturers. I
>>> have a B&D *industrial* 3/8" drill that has had much use for the
>>> last 20 years. I also have a B&D 7/8 HP router - the antecedant
>>> of the Dewalt 610 - that has been used even more over almost 40
>>> years. I replaced its bearings about 10 years ago.
>>>
>> But that is exactly the point, isn't it. Your excellent stuff is
>> really old and not the current stuff.
>
> OP said B&G started retailing during "the war" (presumably, WW2) and
> the person to whom I posted said it was a shame they diminished the
> quality (presumably, when they started retailing). I was pointing out
> that was not the case at least as recently as 20 years ago, probably
> less. Besides, they still make the good stuff, just marketed under
> different names...DeWalt, Porter-Cable, Delta...
>
> The Dewalt 610 router was exactly same as my ancient B&D except it
> could use 1/2" collets, was a bit more powerful and had a tab over
> part of the power switch. I'd love to find a motor unit from one.
>
>
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Cool.


Posted by mm on March 28, 2008, 12:34 am
wrote:

>Tomes wrote:
>> "dadiOH" :
>>>> mm :
>>>>> Heard on the radio just now -- heard it before too -- that there
>>>>> was a big influx into Baltimore of workers from West Virginia and
>>>>> Virginia and Carolina during the war and maybe other times, and
>>>>> Black and Decker used to rent power tools to the shipyard(s?)
>>>>> here. ?According to someone quoting Mr. Decker, he noticed --
>>>>> didn't say exactly when -- that people were taking the tools home
>>>>> and bringing them back, and he asked them why, and was told "I
>>>>> can get so much done with these things at home." ?And after that,
>>>>> Black and Decker started selling the tools through hardware
>>>>> stores.
>>>>
>>>> sad they cut to junk quality, B&D is known as disposable tools
>>>
>>> B&D has various grades of tools as do many other manufacturers. I
>>> have a B&D *industrial* 3/8" drill that has had much use for the
>>> last 20 years. I also have a B&D 7/8 HP router - the antecedant
>>> of the Dewalt 610 - that has been used even more over almost 40
>>> years. I replaced its bearings about 10 years ago.
>>>
>> But that is exactly the point, isn't it. Your excellent stuff is
>> really old and not the current stuff.
>
>OP said B&G started retailing during "the war" (presumably, WW2) and

Right, the big one, W W 2. :) I should have said that.

>the person to whom I posted said it was a shame they diminished the
>quality (presumably, when they started retailing). I was pointing out
>that was not the case at least as recently as 20 years ago, probably
>less. Besides, they still make the good stuff, just marketed under
>different names...DeWalt, Porter-Cable, Delta...
>
>The Dewalt 610 router was exactly same as my ancient B&D except it
>could use 1/2" collets, was a bit more powerful and had a tab over
>part of the power switch. I'd love to find a motor unit from one.


Posted by mm on March 28, 2008, 12:40 am
wrote:

>Tomes wrote:
>> "dadiOH" :
>>>> mm :
>>>>> Heard on the radio just now -- heard it before too -- that there
>>>>> was a big influx into Baltimore of workers from West Virginia and
>>>>> Virginia and Carolina during the war and maybe other times, and
>>>>> Black and Decker used to rent power tools to the shipyard(s?)
>>>>> here. ?According to someone quoting Mr. Decker, he noticed --
>>>>> didn't say exactly when -- that people were taking the tools home
>>>>> and bringing them back, and he asked them why, and was told "I
>>>>> can get so much done with these things at home." ?And after that,
>>>>> Black and Decker started selling the tools through hardware
>>>>> stores.
>>>>
>>>> sad they cut to junk quality, B&D is known as disposable tools
>>>
>>> B&D has various grades of tools as do many other manufacturers. I
>>> have a B&D *industrial* 3/8" drill that has had much use for the
>>> last 20 years. I also have a B&D 7/8 HP router - the antecedant
>>> of the Dewalt 610 - that has been used even more over almost 40
>>> years. I replaced its bearings about 10 years ago.
>>>
>> But that is exactly the point, isn't it. Your excellent stuff is
>> really old and not the current stuff.
>
>OP said B&G started retailing during "the war" (presumably, WW2) and

Right, the big one, W W 2. :) I should have said that.

Even if one doesn't like B&D now, my post was meant as a bit of
history about power tools. Apparently they were the first??? to sell
to consumers. Of course if they hadn't done it someone else would
have eventually, but that's true of lots of history.

And I thought the reason was interesting.

Yet, like in lots of groups on lots of topics, every time someone
mentions B&D, someone else has to say how bad they are now. There
are far more people who want cheap tools rather than great ones and
someone is going to make them for them. And someone will make the
great ones. That's called free enterprise and the market system.

Posted by Edwin Pawlowski on March 28, 2008, 11:11 pm

> Even if one doesn't like B&D now, my post was meant as a bit of
> history about power tools. Apparently they were the first??? to sell
> to consumers. Of course if they hadn't done it someone else would
> have eventually, but that's true of lots of history.
>
> And I thought the reason was interesting.

It was.


>
> Yet, like in lots of groups on lots of topics, every time someone
> mentions B&D, someone else has to say how bad they are now. There
> are far more people who want cheap tools rather than great ones and
> someone is going to make them for them. And someone will make the
> great ones. That's called free enterprise and the market system.

I don't buy or use cheap tools. OK, I'm a tool snob. They do, however, have
a place. Many homeowners use a drill once or twice a year and they don't
need a heavy duty high quality brand. A few weeks ago I bought a 12V Ryobi
cordless drill kit for $49. The purpose was to complete a certain job and I
know later it will be abused and eventually lost or damaged. The job is now
done and the drill is still intact so anything we get from it now is a
bonus.



Posted by Edwin Pawlowski on March 25, 2008, 9:56 pm

>
> B&D has various grades of tools as do many other manufacturers. I
> have a B&D *industrial* 3/8" drill that has had much use for the last
> 20 years. I also have a B&D 7/8 HP router - the antecedant of the
> Dewalt 610 - that has been used even more over almost 40 years. I
> replaced its bearings about 10 years ago.
>

HAD, not has. All B & D is low end stuff for the once a year user. No more
pro tools.



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