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Strange Electrical Circuit luv2cmwork 01-01-2007
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Posted by on January 1, 2007, 10:00 pm


My friends just purchased a new home.

Attached to the breaker box (screw in type fuses) there is a single
pole switch. I started tracking this down, to find out what it was and
this is what I found.

The circuit starts, with a black wire, coming from #17 circuit. That
black wire goes into the Single Pole Switch on the breaker box. A
white wire exits the switch and runs to 12/2 wire, which runs to a
junction box, in the attic. The black wire, on the 12/2 goes into #20
on the breaker box.

I hope I explained that. If I was following it has one wire (as a
circuit), it would start from #17 go through the switch and then to
each outlet and returns and goes into #20 on the breaker box.

The junction box, in the attic, powers 3 outlets, located on the eves
of the house, right next to the gutters.

First question. This is a 220 circuit, right? With two 110's leading
to the outlets, it should have 220 to these outlets. (I just realized,
I didn't look to see if the outlet closely, but it looked like a
standard outlet on first glance.

Second question. There is no third wire, supplying a neutral. Nor is
there a ground. Is this normal?

Third question. Are there any guesses, as to what these outlets would
have powered? My only two guesses are Christmas lights, of some kind.
Or quite probably some sort of "heater" to heat the gutters or stop ice
damming?

Thank you for your anticipated responses.


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Posted by Sev on January 1, 2007, 10:24 pm



luv2cmwork@gmail.com wrote:
> My friends just purchased a new home.
>
> Attached to the breaker box (screw in type fuses) there is a single
> pole switch. I started tracking this down, to find out what it was and
> this is what I found.
>
> The circuit starts, with a black wire, coming from #17 circuit. That
> black wire goes into the Single Pole Switch on the breaker box. A
> white wire exits the switch and runs to 12/2 wire, which runs to a
> junction box, in the attic. The black wire, on the 12/2 goes into #20
> on the breaker box.
>
> I hope I explained that. If I was following it has one wire (as a
> circuit), it would start from #17 go through the switch and then to
> each outlet and returns and goes into #20 on the breaker box.
>
> The junction box, in the attic, powers 3 outlets, located on the eves
> of the house, right next to the gutters.
>
> First question. This is a 220 circuit, right? With two 110's leading
> to the outlets, it should have 220 to these outlets. (I just realized,
> I didn't look to see if the outlet closely, but it looked like a
> standard outlet on first glance.
>
> Second question. There is no third wire, supplying a neutral. Nor is
> there a ground. Is this normal?
>
> Third question. Are there any guesses, as to what these outlets would
> have powered? My only two guesses are Christmas lights, of some kind.
> Or quite probably some sort of "heater" to heat the gutters or stop ice
> damming?
>
> Thank you for your anticipated responses.

I'll take the 3rd- yup, sounds like heat tapes for the gutters


Posted by Joe on January 1, 2007, 11:12 pm



luv2cmwork@gmail.com wrote:
> My friends just purchased a new home.
>
> Attached to the breaker box (screw in type fuses)...

>snip<

Advise your friends that living with such an outdated and even
jury-rigged system just isn't a smart thing to do. Urge them to bring
things up to code ASAP. What you have described so far is rather scary.

Joe


Posted by hallerb@aol.com on January 1, 2007, 11:16 pm



>
> Advise your friends that living with such an outdated and even
> jury-rigged system just isn't a smart thing to do. Urge them to bring
> things up to code ASAP. What you have described so far is rather scary.
>
> Joe

provided it was a well done job theres nothing really unsafe about
adding a switch to a circuit although I would of probably just used the
breaker as a switch


Posted by Thomas D. Horne, FF EMT on January 2, 2007, 3:00 am


hallerb@aol.com wrote:
>> Advise your friends that living with such an outdated and even
>> jury-rigged system just isn't a smart thing to do. Urge them to bring
>> things up to code ASAP. What you have described so far is rather scary.
>>
>> Joe
>
> provided it was a well done job theres nothing really unsafe about
> adding a switch to a circuit although I would of probably just used the
> breaker as a switch
>

I disagree. That switch should have been two pole so as to open both
ungrounded conductors simultaneously. The breaker should also have been
two pole. As for the absence of a ground conductor that is a serious
omission.
--
Tom Horne

Well we aren't no thin blue heroes and yet we aren't no blackguards to.
We're just working men and woman most remarkable like you.

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