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Sump Pump Question Robert Green 06-08-2008
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Posted by Robert Green on June 8, 2008, 6:13 am
My new "Water Ace" R33SP submersible sump pump has a little label on the
bottom that says "air vent must be cleaned periodically to prevent air
locking."

How often is that? Are all sumps pumps like that or should I return this
for one that doesn't require hauling out of the sump pit to clean? From
what I see we are talking about a 1/8" opening that seems like it should be
labelled "guaranteed to clog as soon as warranty expires."

--
Bobby G.




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Posted by Paul Franklin on June 8, 2008, 9:12 pm
On Sun, 8 Jun 2008 06:13:13 -0400, "Robert Green"

>My new "Water Ace" R33SP submersible sump pump has a little label on the
>bottom that says "air vent must be cleaned periodically to prevent air
>locking."
>
>How often is that? Are all sumps pumps like that or should I return this
>for one that doesn't require hauling out of the sump pit to clean? From
>what I see we are talking about a 1/8" opening that seems like it should be
>labelled "guaranteed to clog as soon as warranty expires."

The vent has to be small because it is on the outlet side of the pump
and allows water to flow back into the sump. FWIW, I've never had one
clog. I suppose if you have a lot of mud and gunk in the pit it may
clog occasionally.

Not all pumps have the vent built in; some just tell you to drill a
1/8" hole in the output pipe below the check valve.

In general, it's a good idea to pull the pump at least once a year to
inspect it, and to clean the input filter screen anyway. Just take a
nail and poke it through the vent hole when you've got the pump up.
And while it's out, clean any major gunk out of the pit. A messy job,
yes, but better than a flooded basement.

HTH,

Paul


Posted by Robert Green on June 8, 2008, 11:35 pm
> On Sun, 8 Jun 2008 06:13:13 -0400, "Robert Green"
>
> >My new "Water Ace" R33SP submersible sump pump has a little label on the
> >bottom that says "air vent must be cleaned periodically to prevent air
> >locking."
> >
> >How often is that? Are all sumps pumps like that or should I return this
> >for one that doesn't require hauling out of the sump pit to clean? From
> >what I see we are talking about a 1/8" opening that seems like it should
be
> >labelled "guaranteed to clog as soon as warranty expires."
>
> The vent has to be small because it is on the outlet side of the pump
> and allows water to flow back into the sump. FWIW, I've never had one
> clog. I suppose if you have a lot of mud and gunk in the pit it may
> clog occasionally.
>
> Not all pumps have the vent built in; some just tell you to drill a
> 1/8" hole in the output pipe below the check valve.
>
> In general, it's a good idea to pull the pump at least once a year to
> inspect it, and to clean the input filter screen anyway. Just take a
> nail and poke it through the vent hole when you've got the pump up.
> And while it's out, clean any major gunk out of the pit. A messy job,
> yes, but better than a flooded basement.

Thanks, that's helpful, but not what I wanted to hear. )-: That pump is
going in a nasty, hard to reach place. I would prefer to spend more money
for less maintenance. It will be bedded down in gravel, too, to keep leaves
and other debris out of it and help anchor it.

I am now thinking of inserting a 6" length of clear tubing in the drain pipe
so I can check for good water flow. Not sure if I would know there was an
airlock until there was a flood, and then the pump is even *harder* to reach
than usual. (-:

Thanks for the input. Oddly enough, my newsreader attached your reply to
the same-named thread of last August.

--
Bobby G.




Posted by hallerb@aol.com on June 9, 2008, 8:23 am
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> > On Sun, 8 Jun 2008 06:13:13 -0400, "Robert Green"
>
> > >My new "Water Ace" R33SP submersible sump pump has a little label on th=
e
> > >bottom that says "air vent must be cleaned periodically to prevent air
> > >locking."
>
> > >How often is that? =EF=BF=BDAre all sumps pumps like that or should I r=
eturn this
> > >for one that doesn't require hauling out of the sump pit to clean? =EF=
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> > >what I see we are talking about a 1/8" opening that seems like it shoul=
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> be
> > >labelled "guaranteed to clog as soon as warranty expires."
>
> > The vent has to be small because it is on the outlet side of the pump
> > and allows water to flow back into the sump. =EF=BF=BDFWIW, I've never h=
ad one
> > clog. =EF=BF=BDI suppose if you have a lot of mud and gunk in the pit it=
may
> > clog occasionally.
>
> > Not all pumps have the vent built in; some just tell you to drill a
> > 1/8" hole in the output pipe below the check valve.
>
> > In general, it's a good idea to pull the pump at least once a year to
> > inspect it, and to clean the input filter screen anyway. =EF=BF=BDJust t=
ake a
> > nail and poke it through the vent hole when you've got the pump up.
> > And while it's out, clean any major gunk out of the pit. =EF=BF=BDA mess=
y job,
> > yes, but better than a flooded basement.
>
> Thanks, that's helpful, but not what I wanted to hear. =EF=BF=BD)-: =EF=BF=
=BDThat pump is
> going in a nasty, hard to reach place. =EF=BF=BDI would prefer to spend mo=
re money
> for less maintenance. =EF=BF=BDIt will be bedded down in gravel, too, to k=
eep leaves
> and other debris out of it and help anchor it.
>
> I am now thinking of inserting a 6" length of clear tubing in the drain pi=
pe
> so I can check for good water flow. =EF=BF=BDNot sure if I would know ther=
e was an
> airlock until there was a flood, and then the pump is even *harder* to rea=
ch
> than usual. =EF=BF=BD(-:
>
> Thanks for the input. =EF=BF=BDOddly enough, my newsreader attached your r=
eply to
> the same-named thread of last August.
>
> --
> Bobby G.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

why bed it in gravel? the exhaust line is a good anchorage, and ifyour
concerned with leaves surround it with screen.

sounds like a outside sump?

put the pump in a seperate sumpo pump pit, in a convenient place to
service, and hve water pass from collection point to pump pit, thru a
filter pit, a screened easy to reach spot.

dont ignore the possiblity of a gravity drain to daylight.......

gravity tends to be highly reliable:)

Posted by Mark on June 9, 2008, 9:47 am
ote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > > On Sun, 8 Jun 2008 06:13:13 -0400, "Robert Green"
>
> > > >My new "Water Ace" R33SP submersible sump pump has a little label on =
the
> > > >bottom that says "air vent must be cleaned periodically to prevent ai=
r
> > > >locking."
>
> > > >How often is that? =EF=BF=BDAre all sumps pumps like that or should I=
return this
> > > >for one that doesn't require hauling out of the sump pit to clean? =
=EF=BF=BDFrom
> > > >what I see we are talking about a 1/8" opening that seems like it sho=
uld
> > be
> > > >labelled "guaranteed to clog as soon as warranty expires."
>
> > > The vent has to be small because it is on the outlet side of the pump
> > > and allows water to flow back into the sump. =EF=BF=BDFWIW, I've never=
had one
> > > clog. =EF=BF=BDI suppose if you have a lot of mud and gunk in the pit =
it may
> > > clog occasionally.
>
> > > Not all pumps have the vent built in; some just tell you to drill a
> > > 1/8" hole in the output pipe below the check valve.
>
> > > In general, it's a good idea to pull the pump at least once a year to
> > > inspect it, and to clean the input filter screen anyway. =EF=BF=BDJust=
take a
> > > nail and poke it through the vent hole when you've got the pump up.
> > > And while it's out, clean any major gunk out of the pit. =EF=BF=BDA me=
ssy job,
> > > yes, but better than a flooded basement.
>
> > Thanks, that's helpful, but not what I wanted to hear. =EF=BF=BD)-: =EF=
=BF=BDThat pump is
> > going in a nasty, hard to reach place. =EF=BF=BDI would prefer to spend =
more money
> > for less maintenance. =EF=BF=BDIt will be bedded down in gravel, too, to=
keep leaves
> > and other debris out of it and help anchor it.
>
> > I am now thinking of inserting a 6" length of clear tubing in the drain =
pipe
> > so I can check for good water flow. =EF=BF=BDNot sure if I would know th=
ere was an
> > airlock until there was a flood, and then the pump is even *harder* to r=
each
> > than usual. =EF=BF=BD(-:
>
> > Thanks for the input. =EF=BF=BDOddly enough, my newsreader attached your=
reply to
> > the same-named thread of last August.
>
> > --
> > Bobby G.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> why bed it in gravel? the exhaust line is a good anchorage, and ifyour
> concerned with leaves surround it with screen.
>
> sounds like a outside sump?
>
> put the pump in a seperate sumpo pump pit, in a convenient place to
> service, and hve water pass from collection point to pump pit, thru a
> filter pit, a screened easy to reach spot.
>
> dont ignore the possiblity of a gravity drain to daylight.......
>
> gravity tends to be highly reliable:)- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

the most important thing is to make sure the pump runs for a few
seconds at least once a month so that the bearings don't seize up.

Mark

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