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Sweating large diameter copper pipe Ken 06-15-2005
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Posted by Ken on June 15, 2005, 2:00 pm
We are in the middle of renovating a kitchen and bathroom. House was
built in 1925, and kitchen pantry was converted to a bathroom I'm
guessing in the 1950's. Current plumbing vent for the bathroom is 2"
copper run on the exterior wall of the house. This vent will be moved
into the wall cavity. (Already have the walls ripped out and holes in
top plates drilled.) Hired plumber will be doing most of the work.

I'd like to reuse the current copper vent pipe inside the wall. I have
no sound reasons for wanting to reuse the pipe other than I just like
the idea of reusing old materials rather than always buying new, even
if it adds to the cost of the job. We'll be asking the plumber about
this, and I anticipate that his answer will be that it is way easier
and cheaper to just run new PVC inside the wall than trying to clean up
the pipe enough to sweat new couplings on as sections of the pipe are
stuffed up the wall cavity.

Also, current waste pipe for the toilet is 3" (I think) copper. This
had to be cut in one place as part of the renovation, so it would only
take one coupling to reconnect the existing waste line to the new
stuff.

So my question is, how hard is it to sweat a 2"+ diameter copper pipe?
I've done plenty of 1/2" and 3/4", so I know how easy it is to do that,
but does it become exponentially more difficult to sweat larger
diameters? Is the plumber going to run screaming from our house if we
ask him to do this? I assume he will want to just rip everything out
and re-run PVC, so should we let him do this?

Thanks for any insight anyone can give me.

Ken


Posted by on June 15, 2005, 2:24 pm
Any real plumber will have a torch that can easily solder 2" copper
pipe. The real issues are how accessible it all is, how easy it is to
get to the right spots to cut/solder it, and how much harder or costly
it will be to do that instead of going with ABS


Posted by on June 15, 2005, 3:48 pm
On 15 Jun 2005 11:24:48 -0700, trader4@optonline.net wrote:

>Any real plumber will have a torch that can easily solder 2" copper
>pipe.

Around here it is hard to find a plumber who knows anything but
"pasting plastic". I think most of them get into the trade because
they like the smell of the glue

Posted by SQLit on June 15, 2005, 2:29 pm

> We are in the middle of renovating a kitchen and bathroom. House was
> built in 1925, and kitchen pantry was converted to a bathroom I'm
> guessing in the 1950's. Current plumbing vent for the bathroom is 2"
> copper run on the exterior wall of the house. This vent will be moved
> into the wall cavity. (Already have the walls ripped out and holes in
> top plates drilled.) Hired plumber will be doing most of the work.
>
> I'd like to reuse the current copper vent pipe inside the wall. I have
> no sound reasons for wanting to reuse the pipe other than I just like
> the idea of reusing old materials rather than always buying new, even
> if it adds to the cost of the job. We'll be asking the plumber about
> this, and I anticipate that his answer will be that it is way easier
> and cheaper to just run new PVC inside the wall than trying to clean up
> the pipe enough to sweat new couplings on as sections of the pipe are
> stuffed up the wall cavity.
>
> Also, current waste pipe for the toilet is 3" (I think) copper. This
> had to be cut in one place as part of the renovation, so it would only
> take one coupling to reconnect the existing waste line to the new
> stuff.
>
> So my question is, how hard is it to sweat a 2"+ diameter copper pipe?
> I've done plenty of 1/2" and 3/4", so I know how easy it is to do that,
> but does it become exponentially more difficult to sweat larger
> diameters? Is the plumber going to run screaming from our house if we
> ask him to do this? I assume he will want to just rip everything out
> and re-run PVC, so should we let him do this?
>
> Thanks for any insight anyone can give me.
>
> Ken

With a big "turbo torch" it is done daily. The average plumber may not have
such a tool. Never seen one at a rental yard.

Last one I saw the flame end was 4 inches in diameter and they used dual
gasses. Oxy and Acetylene. Took a skilled journeyman about 30 minutes a
joint. No flammable materials anywhere near.

Since this is for a vent I would think about a "no hub" connection.



Posted by ConcreteFinishing&StuccoGuy on June 15, 2005, 3:00 pm
Glad this post is about plumbing because the last answer is as full of shit
as any sewer i have ever seen.
No turbo torch, no oxy assist feed. Average plumber will have a BTank that
will handle job, prob is the labor to clean the couplings off old solder.
Average joint only needs a minute to heat.

--
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Concrete Finishing and Synthetic Stucco application in the GTA.
>
> > We are in the middle of renovating a kitchen and bathroom. House was
> > built in 1925, and kitchen pantry was converted to a bathroom I'm
> > guessing in the 1950's. Current plumbing vent for the bathroom is 2"
> > copper run on the exterior wall of the house. This vent will be moved
> > into the wall cavity. (Already have the walls ripped out and holes in
> > top plates drilled.) Hired plumber will be doing most of the work.
> >
> > I'd like to reuse the current copper vent pipe inside the wall. I have
> > no sound reasons for wanting to reuse the pipe other than I just like
> > the idea of reusing old materials rather than always buying new, even
> > if it adds to the cost of the job. We'll be asking the plumber about
> > this, and I anticipate that his answer will be that it is way easier
> > and cheaper to just run new PVC inside the wall than trying to clean up
> > the pipe enough to sweat new couplings on as sections of the pipe are
> > stuffed up the wall cavity.
> >
> > Also, current waste pipe for the toilet is 3" (I think) copper. This
> > had to be cut in one place as part of the renovation, so it would only
> > take one coupling to reconnect the existing waste line to the new
> > stuff.
> >
> > So my question is, how hard is it to sweat a 2"+ diameter copper pipe?
> > I've done plenty of 1/2" and 3/4", so I know how easy it is to do that,
> > but does it become exponentially more difficult to sweat larger
> > diameters? Is the plumber going to run screaming from our house if we
> > ask him to do this? I assume he will want to just rip everything out
> > and re-run PVC, so should we let him do this?
> >
> > Thanks for any insight anyone can give me.
> >
> > Ken
>
> With a big "turbo torch" it is done daily. The average plumber may not
have
> such a tool. Never seen one at a rental yard.
>
> Last one I saw the flame end was 4 inches in diameter and they used dual
> gasses. Oxy and Acetylene. Took a skilled journeyman about 30 minutes a
> joint. No flammable materials anywhere near.
>
> Since this is for a vent I would think about a "no hub" connection.
>
>



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