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Tankless hard cost numbers hallerb@aol.com 05-03-2008
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Posted by hallerb@aol.com on May 3, 2008, 5:10 pm
http://www.aceee.org/consumerguide/waterheating.htm

best comparison I have seen, compares electric, gas, oil, standard vs
tankless yearly water heating costs.

Even has install costs, expected lifetimes of units etc.

good reading for anyone considering a new hot water unit

Posted by Paul M. Eldridge on May 3, 2008, 6:27 pm
On Sat, 3 May 2008 14:10:57 -0700 (PDT), "hallerb@aol.com"

>http://www.aceee.org/consumerguide/waterheating.htm
>
>best comparison I have seen, compares electric, gas, oil, standard vs
>tankless yearly water heating costs.
>
>Even has install costs, expected lifetimes of units etc.
>
>good reading for anyone considering a new hot water unit

It's a good resource, but I'd caution that some of the assumptions
need updating. For example, the cost of fuel oil in the price
comparison table is listed as $2.40 a gallon and, today, that number
would be closer to $4.00 (I'm currently paying $4.17 a gallon). On
that basis, the annual energy cost of a conventional oil-fired water
heater would fall in the range of $1,100.00, as opposed to the $650.00
shown here.

Cheers,
Paul

Posted by hallerb@aol.com on May 3, 2008, 8:09 pm
wrote:
> On Sat, 3 May 2008 14:10:57 -0700 (PDT), "hall...@aol.com"
>
> >http://www.aceee.org/consumerguide/waterheating.htm
>
> >best comparison I have seen, compares electric, gas, oil, standard vs
> >tankless yearly water heating costs.
>
> >Even has install costs, expected lifetimes of units etc.
>
> >good reading for anyone considering a new hot water unit
>
> It's a good resource, but I'd caution that some of the assumptions
> need updating. =EF=BF=BDFor example, the cost of fuel oil in the price
> comparison table is listed as $2.40 a gallon and, today, that number
> would be closer to $4.00 (I'm currently paying $4.17 a gallon). =EF=BF=BDO=
n
> that basis, the annual energy cost of a conventional oil-fired water
> heater would fall in the range of $1,100.00, as opposed to the $650.00
> shown here.
>
> Cheers,
> Paul

yep very true, must be hard to run a website with such volatile fuel
costs..

natural gas will have gone up over 20% since april, for the fall
heating season locally

we are getting a new 95% furnace with air, and i am looking at hot
water heaters since ours is old and really should be moved during the
new furnace install...... more efficent use of space.

if the condensing furnaces are truly 2 grand i would never save any
money...

thats how i stumbled on to this info

Posted by Paul M. Eldridge on May 3, 2008, 9:03 pm
On Sat, 3 May 2008 17:09:30 -0700 (PDT), "hallerb@aol.com"

>yep very true, must be hard to run a website with such volatile fuel
>costs..
>
>natural gas will have gone up over 20% since april, for the fall
>heating season locally
>
>we are getting a new 95% furnace with air, and i am looking at hot
>water heaters since ours is old and really should be moved during the
>new furnace install...... more efficent use of space.
>
>if the condensing furnaces are truly 2 grand i would never save any
>money...
>
>thats how i stumbled on to this info

I fear natural gas prices are about to take off like a scared rabbit.
I won't bore you with the technical reasons (there are several and all
decidedly negative); I'll simply note that the Nymex Henry Hub price
closed Friday at $10.78 per MMBtu and that's more than double the
front-month close of just eight months ago. What's also interesting
is that inventory levels are falling at a time when they normally rise
in advance of the summer a/c season; that suggests price will be under
even greater pressure come fall -- if it turns out to be another hot
summer and all those gas turbines are busting their asses keeping
those a/c units humming, things could turn a tad ugly.

Cheers,
Paul

Posted by hallerb@aol.com on May 3, 2008, 8:10 pm
meant condensing hot water tanks 2 grand.........

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