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Terminix system vs Sentricon termite baiting system Walter Cohen 04-17-2008
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Posted by gpsman on April 19, 2008, 2:38 pm
> gpsman wrote:
> >> gpsman wrote:
>
> >> ...> Terminix and Orkin produce the majority of pest control customers
> >>> pissed off enough to actually file suit.
> >> That's easily explained simply by the fact the two are by far the
> >> largest companies in the field: simply more opportunities.
>
> > Of course, but that explanation is a little too simple.
>
> No simpler than your previous statement (as presented)...
>
> >> As a secondary cause, most local companies won't make anything more than
> >> local news even if they are no better in service or follow up or
> >> warranty work than the national firms in their area so google results
> >> will be grossly distorted by that as well.
>
> > Or, they settle up and/or satisfy their clients.
>
> But they simply won't show up on google in any profusion because there
> are a comparatively miniscule number of searchers for any local company
> regardless of how bad they might be.
>
> Hence, it is an erroneous conclusion that because the two major
> companies have the bulk of the complaints on a google search the others
> are _necessarily_ better.
>
> It's simply a misuse of the statistics.

Agreed, but I would point to their use of "contracts" as evidence they
are less inclined to satisfy their clients, and their unnecessary
service intervals as evidence they are better at generating income
than performing effective services.

But, they made me a ton o' money...
-----

- gpsman

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Posted by dpb on April 19, 2008, 3:10 pm
gpsman wrote:
...
>> Hence, it is an erroneous conclusion that because the two major
>> companies have the bulk of the complaints on a google search the others
>> are _necessarily_ better.
>>
>> It's simply a misuse of the statistics.
>
> Agreed, ...

That's the only point I was making...

Nothing else is derivable from the data posited.

I'm not attacking you or any other local exterminator nor defending the
Big Two; simply pointing out to draw a conclusion you wished others to
make from your previous post is simply not warranted.

--

Posted by on April 19, 2008, 3:20 pm
You might want to look at my web page before deciding what to do.
None of these systems do anything to "bait" a termite like a worm
baits a fish. Termites forage randomly for food and have hit one of
these stations by freak accident. I'd advise you to look at testing
data that was not paid for directly or indirectly by the folks who
make it or sell it.
You may want to look into a full and complete (not perimeter only)
termiticide treatment with Termidor.
Tom Campbell
www.campbelllitigation.com

Posted by dpb on April 19, 2008, 4:28 pm
tcampbell@campbelllitigation.com wrote:
...
> ... None of these systems do anything to "bait" a termite like a worm
> baits a fish. ... I'd advise you to look at testing data that was
> not paid for directly or indirectly by the folks who make it or sell
> it.

OK, let's see what a few minutes can find out...

On the first claim I find w/o much trouble the following peer-reviewed
publication abstract...

Cornelius, M.L. "effect of bait supplements on the feeding and tunneling
behavior of the formosan subterranean termite (isoptera:
rhinotermitidae).". International Conference on Urban Pests pp. 159-163.
In C-Y Lee and W.H.Robinson (eds), Proceedings of the 5th International
Conference on Urban Pests, Singapore.

Interpretive Summary: ... An experiment conducted to examine the effect
of water soluble chemicals extracted from SummonTM disks on tunneling
behavior. Due to the influence of water soluble components of Summon,
the average number of days taken for termites to discover pipette tips
filled with material from ground-up SummonTM disks was significantly
less than the average number of days taken for termites to discover
pipette tips filled with red oak sawdust. ...

So, at least one system has a bait that is more effective than simply
random foraging or even a supply of a normally pretty delectable wood
source.

On testing, USDA reports in New Orleans the following

Riverfront Railroad, Levee, and French Market Corporation: A project was
initiated in January 2002 with NOM&TCB and Dow AgroSciences LLC to
access and then reduce the termite pressure along the railroad tracks
and the adjacent levee planters along the French Quarter between the
Mississippi River and the flood walls. ... 480 Sentricon® Stations
(®Registered trademark of Dow AgroSciences LLC, Indianapolis, IN) were
installed along the mile of track and on the levee around the wooden
planters. ... This project is making a significant contribution to the
ongoing efforts of termite management in the French Quarter. In 2004,
there was a decrease in the total number of FST alates (winged termites)
recovered from 42 glue traps in the Riverfront and French Market areas
of the French Quarter. In 2003, 18,747 FST alates were recovered, and in
2004, 12,593 FST alates were recovered.


So, I must conclude there's direct evidence that there are baiting
systems that are demonstrable to be more effective than no baiting and
that there is a demonstrated reduction in termite populations after the
deployment of the Dow Sentricon station.

Perhaps your url is indicative of a reason you'd like to claim otherwise...

--



Posted by Walter Cohen on April 19, 2008, 8:05 pm
Well, thanks to all for your responses.
As my termite problem did not get any better in the interim, probably got
worse if you ask me, I went with a local operator licensed for the Sentricon
system. They are to install it in the upcoming week and monitor for the
next 2 years.

W
> tcampbell@campbelllitigation.com wrote:
> ...
>> ... None of these systems do anything to "bait" a termite like a worm
>> baits a fish. ... I'd advise you to look at testing data that was
>> not paid for directly or indirectly by the folks who make it or sell
>> it.
>
> OK, let's see what a few minutes can find out...
>
> On the first claim I find w/o much trouble the following peer-reviewed
> publication abstract...
>
> Cornelius, M.L. "effect of bait supplements on the feeding and tunneling
> behavior of the formosan subterranean termite (isoptera:
> rhinotermitidae).". International Conference on Urban Pests pp. 159-163.
> In C-Y Lee and W.H.Robinson (eds), Proceedings of the 5th International
> Conference on Urban Pests, Singapore.
>
> Interpretive Summary: ... An experiment conducted to examine the effect of
> water soluble chemicals extracted from SummonTM disks on tunneling
> behavior. Due to the influence of water soluble components of Summon, the
> average number of days taken for termites to discover pipette tips filled
> with material from ground-up SummonTM disks was significantly less than
> the average number of days taken for termites to discover pipette tips
> filled with red oak sawdust. ...
>
> So, at least one system has a bait that is more effective than simply
> random foraging or even a supply of a normally pretty delectable wood
> source.
>
> On testing, USDA reports in New Orleans the following
>
> Riverfront Railroad, Levee, and French Market Corporation: A project was
> initiated in January 2002 with NOM&TCB and Dow AgroSciences LLC to access
> and then reduce the termite pressure along the railroad tracks and the
> adjacent levee planters along the French Quarter between the Mississippi
> River and the flood walls. ... 480 Sentricon® Stations (®Registered
> trademark of Dow AgroSciences LLC, Indianapolis, IN) were installed along
> the mile of track and on the levee around the wooden planters. ... This
> project is making a significant contribution to the ongoing efforts of
> termite management in the French Quarter. In 2004, there was a decrease in
> the total number of FST alates (winged termites) recovered from 42 glue
> traps in the Riverfront and French Market areas of the French Quarter. In
> 2003, 18,747 FST alates were recovered, and in 2004, 12,593 FST alates
> were recovered.
>
>
> So, I must conclude there's direct evidence that there are baiting systems
> that are demonstrable to be more effective than no baiting and that there
> is a demonstrated reduction in termite populations after the deployment of
> the Dow Sentricon station.
>
> Perhaps your url is indicative of a reason you'd like to claim
> otherwise...
>
> --
>
>


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