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Termites Ray K 04-20-2007
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Posted by Ray K on April 20, 2007, 2:58 pm


According to one exterminator, I have subterranean termites swarming
mainly along the base of what's now an inside wall, entering the room at
the top of the door casing (where the top and side casing join at a
45-degree angle). When the house was built, this was an exterior wall.
At some point, an addition was built. The exterminator says that the
termites are getting their water from soil at the gap along the
expansion joint; thus there are no visible tunnels along the outside
foundation perimeter from the soil upwards, even near the junction of
the addition. The original house and the addition are on concrete slabs.
The soil is on the clay side.

He proposes to treat the whole 220'perimeter by creating a 3x3" trench
and applying Termidor 80 WG Finished Spray Solution. Along the 15'
interior problem wall, he proposes drilling a hole every one foot, about
four inches in from the wall-floor junction (so he doesn't drill through
the tack strip holding the carpet in place), and applying the same
solution.

At the double-car garage, he proposes trenching along the outside and
also drilling every foot along the inside wall, even though the garage
is rather distant from the problem area. I don't understand the need for
the inside drilling, when the outside trench is only about 6 inches away
from where the inside holes would be drilled.

Finally, he proposes installing, every 8-10' along the perimeter, a
termite bait system. Every three months, for two years they return,
examine if the bait has been eaten, and if so, treat that area for free.

Does all this sound reasonable?

The cost for this is $2000 (central New Jersey). I'm getting another
estimate tomorrow.

Thanks for your comments.

Ray

Posted by Pete C. on April 20, 2007, 3:43 pm


Ray K wrote:
>
> According to one exterminator, I have subterranean termites swarming
> mainly along the base of what's now an inside wall, entering the room at
> the top of the door casing (where the top and side casing join at a
> 45-degree angle). When the house was built, this was an exterior wall.
> At some point, an addition was built. The exterminator says that the
> termites are getting their water from soil at the gap along the
> expansion joint; thus there are no visible tunnels along the outside
> foundation perimeter from the soil upwards, even near the junction of
> the addition. The original house and the addition are on concrete slabs.
> The soil is on the clay side.
>
> He proposes to treat the whole 220'perimeter by creating a 3x3" trench
> and applying Termidor 80 WG Finished Spray Solution. Along the 15'
> interior problem wall, he proposes drilling a hole every one foot, about
> four inches in from the wall-floor junction (so he doesn't drill through
> the tack strip holding the carpet in place), and applying the same
> solution.
>
> At the double-car garage, he proposes trenching along the outside and
> also drilling every foot along the inside wall, even though the garage
> is rather distant from the problem area. I don't understand the need for
> the inside drilling, when the outside trench is only about 6 inches away
> from where the inside holes would be drilled.
>
> Finally, he proposes installing, every 8-10' along the perimeter, a
> termite bait system. Every three months, for two years they return,
> examine if the bait has been eaten, and if so, treat that area for free.
>
> Does all this sound reasonable?
>
> The cost for this is $2000 (central New Jersey). I'm getting another
> estimate tomorrow.
>
> Thanks for your comments.
>
> Ray

Neither the proposed work, nor the price seem unreasonable. If you have
a problem in one area it makes sense to treat all areas properly while
they are there since termites could readily migrate to a different area
at any time.

Back in 2004 I had termites active at my shop. It was treated then with
Termidor, about 104' of perimeter with 32' of that being drilled in a
carport slab. I did a remodel of the shop last year which included
tearing out the walls to insulate them and I found no live termites
anywhere, but plenty of evidence from their previous activity.

I recall the shop treatment being around $500, adjusted for a few years
of inflation, higher labor costs in NJ vs. TX, your larger perimeter and
the bait system / monitoring I'd say you're right in line.

Pete C.

Posted by Ray K on April 21, 2007, 12:48 am


Pete C. wrote:
> Ray K wrote:
>> According to one exterminator, I have subterranean termites swarming
>> mainly along the base of what's now an inside wall, entering the room at
>> the top of the door casing (where the top and side casing join at a
>> 45-degree angle). When the house was built, this was an exterior wall.
>> At some point, an addition was built. The exterminator says that the
>> termites are getting their water from soil at the gap along the
>> expansion joint; thus there are no visible tunnels along the outside
>> foundation perimeter from the soil upwards, even near the junction of
>> the addition. The original house and the addition are on concrete slabs.
>> The soil is on the clay side.
>>
>> He proposes to treat the whole 220'perimeter by creating a 3x3" trench
>> and applying Termidor 80 WG Finished Spray Solution. Along the 15'
>> interior problem wall, he proposes drilling a hole every one foot, about
>> four inches in from the wall-floor junction (so he doesn't drill through
>> the tack strip holding the carpet in place), and applying the same
>> solution.
>>
>> At the double-car garage, he proposes trenching along the outside and
>> also drilling every foot along the inside wall, even though the garage
>> is rather distant from the problem area. I don't understand the need for
>> the inside drilling, when the outside trench is only about 6 inches away
>> from where the inside holes would be drilled.
>>
>> Finally, he proposes installing, every 8-10' along the perimeter, a
>> termite bait system. Every three months, for two years they return,
>> examine if the bait has been eaten, and if so, treat that area for free.
>>
>> Does all this sound reasonable?
>>
>> The cost for this is $2000 (central New Jersey). I'm getting another
>> estimate tomorrow.
>>
>> Thanks for your comments.
>>
>> Ray
>
> Neither the proposed work, nor the price seem unreasonable. If you have
> a problem in one area it makes sense to treat all areas properly while
> they are there since termites could readily migrate to a different area
> at any time.
>
> Back in 2004 I had termites active at my shop. It was treated then with
> Termidor, about 104' of perimeter with 32' of that being drilled in a
> carport slab. I did a remodel of the shop last year which included
> tearing out the walls to insulate them and I found no live termites
> anywhere, but plenty of evidence from their previous activity.
>
> I recall the shop treatment being around $500, adjusted for a few years
> of inflation, higher labor costs in NJ vs. TX, your larger perimeter and
> the bait system / monitoring I'd say you're right in line.
>
> Pete C.

Thanks, Pete. Of course I want as low a price as possible, but my main
concern is the soundness of the approach: 1) treating the whole
perimeter and 2)treating both sides of the long garage wall(the inside
via holes in the concrete floor and the outside by trenching).

Ray

Posted by Brian O on April 21, 2007, 9:35 am



> Ray K wrote:
> >
> > According to one exterminator, I have subterranean termites swarming
> > mainly along the base of what's now an inside wall, entering the room at
> > the top of the door casing (where the top and side casing join at a
> > 45-degree angle). When the house was built, this was an exterior wall.
> > At some point, an addition was built. The exterminator says that the
> > termites are getting their water from soil at the gap along the
> > expansion joint; thus there are no visible tunnels along the outside
> > foundation perimeter from the soil upwards, even near the junction of
> > the addition. The original house and the addition are on concrete slabs.
> > The soil is on the clay side.
> >
> > He proposes to treat the whole 220'perimeter by creating a 3x3" trench
> > and applying Termidor 80 WG Finished Spray Solution. Along the 15'
> > interior problem wall, he proposes drilling a hole every one foot, about
> > four inches in from the wall-floor junction (so he doesn't drill through
> > the tack strip holding the carpet in place), and applying the same
> > solution.
> >
> > At the double-car garage, he proposes trenching along the outside and
> > also drilling every foot along the inside wall, even though the garage
> > is rather distant from the problem area. I don't understand the need for
> > the inside drilling, when the outside trench is only about 6 inches away
> > from where the inside holes would be drilled.
> >
> > Finally, he proposes installing, every 8-10' along the perimeter, a
> > termite bait system. Every three months, for two years they return,
> > examine if the bait has been eaten, and if so, treat that area for free.
> >
> > Does all this sound reasonable?
> >
> > The cost for this is $2000 (central New Jersey). I'm getting another
> > estimate tomorrow.
> >
> > Thanks for your comments.
> >
> > Ray
>
> Neither the proposed work, nor the price seem unreasonable. If you have
> a problem in one area it makes sense to treat all areas properly while
> they are there since termites could readily migrate to a different area
> at any time.
>
> Back in 2004 I had termites active at my shop. It was treated then with
> Termidor, about 104' of perimeter with 32' of that being drilled in a
> carport slab. I did a remodel of the shop last year which included
> tearing out the walls to insulate them and I found no live termites
> anywhere, but plenty of evidence from their previous activity.
>
> I recall the shop treatment being around $500, adjusted for a few years
> of inflation, higher labor costs in NJ vs. TX, your larger perimeter and
> the bait system / monitoring I'd say you're right in line.
>
> Pete C.

I'm in the DFW area and I just got a quote for very similar work for about
$900 per year, including 4 inspections/treatments per year and a guarantee
of the work.
B



Posted by Lar on April 22, 2007, 12:27 am


Brian O wrote:
>
>>Ray K wrote:
>>
>>>According to one exterminator, I have subterranean termites swarming
>>>mainly along the base of what's now an inside wall, entering the room at
>>>the top of the door casing (where the top and side casing join at a
>>>45-degree angle). When the house was built, this was an exterior wall.
>>>At some point, an addition was built. The exterminator says that the
>>>termites are getting their water from soil at the gap along the
>>>expansion joint; thus there are no visible tunnels along the outside
>>>foundation perimeter from the soil upwards, even near the junction of
>>>the addition. The original house and the addition are on concrete slabs.
>>>The soil is on the clay side.
>>>
>>>He proposes to treat the whole 220'perimeter by creating a 3x3" trench
>>>and applying Termidor 80 WG Finished Spray Solution. Along the 15'
>>>interior problem wall, he proposes drilling a hole every one foot, about
>>>four inches in from the wall-floor junction (so he doesn't drill through
>>>the tack strip holding the carpet in place), and applying the same
>>>solution.
>>>
>>>At the double-car garage, he proposes trenching along the outside and
>>>also drilling every foot along the inside wall, even though the garage
>>>is rather distant from the problem area. I don't understand the need for
>>>the inside drilling, when the outside trench is only about 6 inches away
>>>from where the inside holes would be drilled.
>>>
>>>Finally, he proposes installing, every 8-10' along the perimeter, a
>>>termite bait system. Every three months, for two years they return,
>>>examine if the bait has been eaten, and if so, treat that area for free.
>>>
>>>Does all this sound reasonable?
>>>
>>>The cost for this is $2000 (central New Jersey). I'm getting another
>>>estimate tomorrow.
>>>
>>>Thanks for your comments.
>>>
>>>Ray
>>
>>Neither the proposed work, nor the price seem unreasonable. If you have
>>a problem in one area it makes sense to treat all areas properly while
>>they are there since termites could readily migrate to a different area
>>at any time.
>>
>>Back in 2004 I had termites active at my shop. It was treated then with
>>Termidor, about 104' of perimeter with 32' of that being drilled in a
>>carport slab. I did a remodel of the shop last year which included
>>tearing out the walls to insulate them and I found no live termites
>>anywhere, but plenty of evidence from their previous activity.
>>
>>I recall the shop treatment being around $500, adjusted for a few years
>>of inflation, higher labor costs in NJ vs. TX, your larger perimeter and
>>the bait system / monitoring I'd say you're right in line.
>>
>>Pete C.
>
>
> I'm in the DFW area and I just got a quote for very similar work for about
> $900 per year, including 4 inspections/treatments per year and a guarantee
> of the work.
> B
>
>
Must be for a bait job for sure. Cost per year without the bait would
probably be less than $125 a year after the $900 initial treatment. If
a liquid treatment is performed what is the purpose for the baiting?
Does the company have no faith in their liquid treatment application or
they have no faith in the baiting so they do a thorough liquid treatment
and still have no activity along with the high renewal rates that
baits bring in.

Lar

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