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Termites Ray K 04-20-2007
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Posted by Lar on April 23, 2007, 8:17 pm


Ray K wrote:

> Lar wrote:
>
>> Ray K wrote:
>>
>>> According to one exterminator, I have subterranean termites swarming
>>> mainly along the base of what's now an inside wall, entering the room
>>> at the top of the door casing (where the top and side casing join at
>>> a 45-degree angle). When the house was built, this was an exterior
>>> wall. At some point, an addition was built. The exterminator says
>>> that the termites are getting their water from soil at the gap along
>>> the expansion joint; thus there are no visible tunnels along the
>>> outside foundation perimeter from the soil upwards, even near the
>>> junction of the addition. The original house and the addition are on
>>> concrete slabs. The soil is on the clay side.
>>>
>>> He proposes to treat the whole 220'perimeter by creating a 3x3"
>>> trench and applying Termidor 80 WG Finished Spray Solution. Along the
>>> 15' interior problem wall, he proposes drilling a hole every one
>>> foot, about four inches in from the wall-floor junction (so he
>>> doesn't drill through the tack strip holding the carpet in place),
>>> and applying the same solution.
>>>
>>> At the double-car garage, he proposes trenching along the outside and
>>> also drilling every foot along the inside wall, even though the
>>> garage is rather distant from the problem area. I don't understand
>>> the need for the inside drilling, when the outside trench is only
>>> about 6 inches away from where the inside holes would be drilled.
>>>
>>> Finally, he proposes installing, every 8-10' along the perimeter, a
>>> termite bait system. Every three months, for two years they return,
>>> examine if the bait has been eaten, and if so, treat that area for free.
>>>
>>> Does all this sound reasonable?
>>>
>>> The cost for this is $2000 (central New Jersey). I'm getting another
>>> estimate tomorrow.
>>>
>>> Thanks for your comments.
>>>
>>> Ray
>>
>>
>>
>> The only thing I would question is placing the baits around the home.
>> The termidor will protect the house with the treatment he is
>> doing...the baits only generate extra income for the exterminator.
>> How much is your yearly renewal with the baits? Without them it
>> probably would be $100-$150 a year.
>>
>> Lar
>
>
> The treatment includes a 1-year renewable warranty, renewal at
> $150/year. Without the bait traps, the cost would be $1,785. Normally
> the traps would be $300, plus $75 to install, with free quarterly
> monitoring and treatment if needed, for two years. The package deal is
> $2000.


What happens after two years... make sure all warranty is not lost
unless you keep up with the station monitoring...it also might jump up
in price considerably. What termite bait system is being used?...make
sure they are not going to home depot and just buying Terminate
stations. Depending on the writing of the contract some companies get
away with just placing wood stakes around the home and using them as
monitors around the house. As mentioned earlier, if Termidor is being
used and applied properly there would be no reason for baits because the
way Termidor works it would be killing any termites that would be
infesting the stations before they were at a number inside where the
company would need to add the bait matrix anyways.

Lar

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Posted by The Reverend Natural Light on April 20, 2007, 4:55 pm


The price seems on par with what you're getting, but the bait stations
are worthless. I'd decline that and get the price reduced to cover
just the chemical barrier.

I have termites eating whole bushes around my house and stupid little
green pods every few feet that do nothing. I'm embarrassed to say how
much I've paid Terminix for these things and they won't even service
them anymore (not like they ever showed up anyways).

If you DO buy the bait system, get in writing how often they'll check
the stations and get in writing that you'll be refunded your money
when they refuse to check them as often as the salesman told you.
Which they will.


-rev




> According to one exterminator, I have subterranean termites swarming
> mainly along the base of what's now an inside wall, entering the room at
> the top of the door casing (where the top and side casing join at a
> 45-degree angle). When the house was built, this was an exterior wall.
> At some point, an addition was built. The exterminator says that the
> termites are getting their water from soil at the gap along the
> expansion joint; thus there are no visible tunnels along the outside
> foundation perimeter from the soil upwards, even near the junction of
> the addition. The original house and the addition are on concrete slabs.
> The soil is on the clay side.
>
> He proposes to treat the whole 220'perimeter by creating a 3x3" trench
> and applying Termidor 80 WG Finished Spray Solution. Along the 15'
> interior problem wall, he proposes drilling a hole every one foot, about
> four inches in from the wall-floor junction (so he doesn't drill through
> the tack strip holding the carpet in place), and applying the same
> solution.
>
> At the double-car garage, he proposes trenching along the outside and
> also drilling every foot along the inside wall, even though the garage
> is rather distant from the problem area. I don't understand the need for
> the inside drilling, when the outside trench is only about 6 inches away
> from where the inside holes would be drilled.
>
> Finally, he proposes installing, every 8-10' along the perimeter, a
> termite bait system. Every three months, for two years they return,
> examine if the bait has been eaten, and if so, treat that area for free.
>
> Does all this sound reasonable?
>
> The cost for this is $2000 (central New Jersey). I'm getting another
> estimate tomorrow.
>
> Thanks for your comments.
>
> Ray



Posted by Ray K on April 21, 2007, 12:43 am


The Reverend Natural Light wrote:
> The price seems on par with what you're getting, but the bait stations
> are worthless. I'd decline that and get the price reduced to cover
> just the chemical barrier.
>
> I have termites eating whole bushes around my house and stupid little
> green pods every few feet that do nothing. I'm embarrassed to say how
> much I've paid Terminix for these things and they won't even service
> them anymore (not like they ever showed up anyways).
>
> If you DO buy the bait system, get in writing how often they'll check
> the stations and get in writing that you'll be refunded your money
> when they refuse to check them as often as the salesman told you.
> Which they will.
>

A wonderful idea. I wonder if any salesman would ever sign such an
refund agreement. Of course, his mere refusal would be a good indication
that the company is suspect.

Ray

Posted by Lar on April 21, 2007, 12:57 am


Ray K wrote:
> The Reverend Natural Light wrote:

>>
>> If you DO buy the bait system, get in writing how often they'll check
>> the stations and get in writing that you'll be refunded your money
>> when they refuse to check them as often as the salesman told you.
>> Which they will.
>>
>
> A wonderful idea. I wonder if any salesman would ever sign such an
> refund agreement. Of course, his mere refusal would be a good indication
> that the company is suspect.
>
> Ray



Heh...my company's name is similar to a national sized company that uses
baits and I get this type of email all the time from their customers who
happen across my web site confusing the two....

"I cannot tell whether anyone is coming out to check my Sentricon
system. I don’t see any evidence that anyone is coming by at all.
Please let me know."


Lar

Posted by Robert on April 20, 2007, 10:43 pm


> According to one exterminator, I have subterranean termites swarming
> mainly along the base of what's now an inside wall, entering the room at
> the top of the door casing (where the top and side casing join at a
> 45-degree angle). When the house was built, this was an exterior wall.
> At some point, an addition was built. The exterminator says that the
> termites are getting their water from soil at the gap along the
> expansion joint; thus there are no visible tunnels along the outside
> foundation perimeter from the soil upwards, even near the junction of
> the addition. The original house and the addition are on concrete slabs.
> The soil is on the clay side.
>
> He proposes to treat the whole 220'perimeter by creating a 3x3" trench
> and applying Termidor 80 WG Finished Spray Solution. Along the 15'
> interior problem wall, he proposes drilling a hole every one foot, about
> four inches in from the wall-floor junction (so he doesn't drill through
> the tack strip holding the carpet in place), and applying the same
> solution.
>
> At the double-car garage, he proposes trenching along the outside and
> also drilling every foot along the inside wall, even though the garage
> is rather distant from the problem area. I don't understand the need for
> the inside drilling, when the outside trench is only about 6 inches away
> from where the inside holes would be drilled.
>
> Finally, he proposes installing, every 8-10' along the perimeter, a
> termite bait system. Every three months, for two years they return,
> examine if the bait has been eaten, and if so, treat that area for free.
>
> Does all this sound reasonable?
>
> The cost for this is $2000 (central New Jersey). I'm getting another
> estimate tomorrow.
>
> Thanks for your comments.
>
> Ray

Normally you need a license to get the stuff but I bought some
Termidor on ebay. It's not cheap. I think I paid about $90 for a
quart. I then bought a foaming set up from ePestSupply.com to foam
the walls with the Termidor. Foaming means that you add a neutral
soap to the Termidor and mix it to the consistancy of shaving cream.
The foaming apperatus is just a garden sprayer with the pickup tube
extending into the tank about 1/2 way instead of to the bottom. You
then drill 1/4" holes in the wall between the studs about every foot
vertically. That is where you put the foam. All you need with
Termidor is for the termites to injest some of it and bring it back to
the collony. I not only killed my termites but also got my neighbors
as well by just foaming about a 12' length of one wall. I also bought
the bait stations from ePestSupply as well and put them in my crawl
space and the perimeter of the house. I did get termites to attack
one bait station last year and used some of the poison that came with
the bait stations. Since I still have about 90% of my Termidor left,
I think I would have been better off soaking some popsickle sticks in
it and using that inside my bait station. If I have any problems this
season, I'll try my popsickle stick idea. Everything that I am
describing is a lot easier than waxing a car. My total bill including
the Termidor was about $700 and I bought twice as many bait stations
as they suggested.


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