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The Problem with Pliers in Texas javawizard 01-24-2007
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Posted by dpb on January 25, 2007, 11:30 am




> javawizard wrote:
> > You may not legally own a pair of pliers if you live in
> > Texas.Fortunately, this law is not often enforced. - from
> >www.odd-info.com

> The word "pliers" does not occur in the Texas Penal Code nor the > combined
Texas Statutes.
...

Unlikely the actual term used was "pliers" but probably more generic
description that may have included "wire cutter" or something similar.

Someone else noted the purpose was against cattle-rustling and equated
it to being similar to modern prohibitions against "burglary tools".
While part of the problem, more commonly the actual problem was one of
cutting fences for either access to water or moving cattle across
historically open range in the days of the "range wars" when free range
was being replaced by fenced ranges and farming. There was a lot that
was simply done to destroy the fences in an effort to drive farm
homesteaders and settlers from grazing areas.


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Posted by mm on January 26, 2007, 1:48 am



>
>
>> javawizard wrote:
>> > You may not legally own a pair of pliers if you live in
>> > Texas.Fortunately, this law is not often enforced. - from
>> >www.odd-info.com
>
>> The word "pliers" does not occur in the Texas Penal Code nor the > combined
Texas Statutes.
>...
>
>Unlikely the actual term used was "pliers" but probably more generic
>description that may have included "wire cutter" or something similar.
>
>Someone else noted the purpose was against cattle-rustling and equated
>it to being similar to modern prohibitions against "burglary tools".
>While part of the problem, more commonly the actual problem was one of
>cutting fences for either access to water or moving cattle across
>historically open range in the days of the "range wars" when free range

This was the start of the wars between the free range chickens and the
gas range chickens.

Or the wars between the free range eggs and the electric skillet eggs.
I can never remember if the chicken or egg wars came first.

>was being replaced by fenced ranges and farming. There was a lot that
>was simply done to destroy the fences in an effort to drive farm
>homesteaders and settlers from grazing areas.


Posted by dpb on January 26, 2007, 10:53 am


>
...
> >... more commonly the actual problem was one of
> >cutting fences for either access to water or moving cattle across
> >historically open range in the days of the "range wars" ...

> This was the start of the wars between the free range chickens and the
> gas range chickens.
>
> Or the wars between the free range eggs and the electric skillet eggs.
> I can never remember if the chicken or egg wars came first.
...

:) I like it...

For anybody who is interested I found a brief summary of the range wars
under the title of "Sheep Wars" at

A little background and the section pertinent to this thread follow--

"The so-called sheep wars, conflicts between cattlemen and sheepmen
over grazing rights, took place particularly between the early 1870s
and 1900. Fundamental differences between sheep and cattle meant that
they required different amounts of water, different types of food, and
different manners of herding. Differences in life and equipment of the
cowboy on horseback and the sheepherder on a burro or afoot also made
for antagonisms. The cattleman had priority of establishment in most
areas of Texas and resented encroachment of the sheepman on his domain.
The cattleman was the more aggressive of the antagonists. His methods
of attempting to drive out his rival ranged from intimidation to
violence, directed at both the sheepman and his flock. Nomadic sheepmen
or drifters were attacked by both cattlemen and settled sheepmen
because of their twisting or rolling of fences to allow passage of
their flocks ..."

"After the law of 1884, which made fence-cutting a felony and abolished
the open range, both the cattleman and the sheepman confined their
herds to their own land, and the sheep wars came to an end. Despite the
occasional fights between sheepherders and cattlemen in Texas, the
level of violence never reached that of some other Western states. ..."

BIBLIOGRAPHY: Paul H. Carlson, Texas Woolybacks: The Range Sheep and
Goat Industry (College Station: Texas A&M University Press, 1982).
Wayne Gard, "The Fence-Cutters," Southwestern Historical Quarterly 51
(July 1947). ...


Posted by Steve Barker on January 25, 2007, 12:30 pm


the whole list at that url is mostly bullshit.

--
Steve Barker



> javawizard wrote:
>> You may not legally own a pair of pliers if you live in
>> Texas.Fortunately, this law is not often enforced. - from
>> www.odd-info.com
>
> The word "pliers" does not occur in the Texas Penal Code nor the combined
> Texas Statutes.
>
>
http://tlo2.tlc.state.tx.us/cgi-bin/cqcgi?CQ_STATCON_PROCESS_LOGIN=YES&CQ_USER_NAME=64.149.29.48&CQ_PASSWORD=statcon_pwd&CQ_LOGIN=YES
>
> Under the Texas Code of Criminal Procedure, however, we do have a defense
> of justifiable homicide entitled: "But yer honer, he NEEDED killin' ".
>



Posted by RicodJour on January 27, 2007, 8:32 pm


Steve Barker wrote:
> the whole list at that url is mostly bullshit.

What do you expect from a spammer? He posts trivia and slyly inserts
his advertising as part of a trivia list.

A "life coach" that uses subterfuge to attract people. It takes all
types...

R


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