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They're not really DTV converters ! anonymous 05-15-2008
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Posted by Dave Bugg on May 18, 2008, 2:31 pm
ds549@webtv.net wrote:
> my point was that these converters and maybe just plain ol digital
> equipment could be used selectively to see and hear in the area of the
> tv or converter. kind like th big brother can watch you if your
> suspected of something or if some ass gives an anonomous tip to
> police.

M'kay.

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Posted by Bill on May 19, 2008, 8:42 am
> my point was that these converters and maybe just plain ol digital
> equipment could be used selectively to see and hear in the area of the
> tv or converter. kind like th big brother can watch you if your
> suspected of something or if some ass gives an anonomous tip to police.
>

Well just doing a quick search of these boxes, I found 14 different
manufacturers of these. That would be a *LOT* of different people involved
with manufacturing the boxes.

Now who are these people? Well they are just like you and I. Do you really
think that with so many people involved with manufacturing a product like
this that the government would be able to include a listening device and no
one would alert the media? That they could keep it a secret?

The government keeps secrets by not having very many people involved with a
project. Say only 2 manufacturers of something. And many times the secrets
leak out anyway.

I'll bet if you search around, you will be able to find schematic wiring
diagrams of some of these converter boxes on the internet. Everything in the
box electronics there for anyone to see.

Then you have people like me who like to take things apart to see what is
inside when I buy it. I know electronics. If I did this and noticed
something fishy, I would quickly post a message on the internet commenting
on what I found.

Then there are electronic technicians and service people who repair things
like this. Not a group of people to keep things secret!

Bottom line, too many people involved for any secret listening devices to be
included in this device.

Also each device would need to have a unique number so just that device
could be turned on to listen. And "they" would need to know which house had
a specific device so "they" could activate the device at that house (and not
activate the box at a neighbor's house). Well you can pay cash for one of
these boxes and not ever give your name or address. So how would they know
what box you had to activate it?



Posted by Vince on June 13, 2008, 9:33 pm

The government might not be the spying entity here (they don't have
the needed bandwidth), whereas if you replace "government converter
box" with "CABLETV digital converter box", those that have a magnetic
recording media card plugged in, well then there is something that is
suspect. The CABLETV company has the bandwidth via the fiberoptic
cable network and is also able to identify your installation and
control what goes in and what comes back out of their converter box at
each TV receiver. We should feel safer with the government sponsored
converter box compared with what is provided, at a monthly fee, by the
CABLETV industry. Only one government converter box is needed per
household; simply place it in line with your outdoor TV antenna and
feed all household TV receivers that are on the cable line.





On Mon, 19 May 2008 05:42:52 -0700, "Bill"

>> my point was that these converters and maybe just plain ol digital
>> equipment could be used selectively to see and hear in the area of the
>> tv or converter. kind like th big brother can watch you if your
>> suspected of something or if some ass gives an anonomous tip to police.
>>
>
>Well just doing a quick search of these boxes, I found 14 different
>manufacturers of these. That would be a *LOT* of different people involved
>with manufacturing the boxes.
>
>Now who are these people? Well they are just like you and I. Do you really
>think that with so many people involved with manufacturing a product like
>this that the government would be able to include a listening device and no
>one would alert the media? That they could keep it a secret?
>
>The government keeps secrets by not having very many people involved with a
>project. Say only 2 manufacturers of something. And many times the secrets
>leak out anyway.
>
>I'll bet if you search around, you will be able to find schematic wiring
>diagrams of some of these converter boxes on the internet. Everything in the
>box electronics there for anyone to see.
>
>Then you have people like me who like to take things apart to see what is
>inside when I buy it. I know electronics. If I did this and noticed
>something fishy, I would quickly post a message on the internet commenting
>on what I found.
>
>Then there are electronic technicians and service people who repair things
>like this. Not a group of people to keep things secret!
>
>Bottom line, too many people involved for any secret listening devices to be
>included in this device.
>
>Also each device would need to have a unique number so just that device
>could be turned on to listen. And "they" would need to know which house had
>a specific device so "they" could activate the device at that house (and not
>activate the box at a neighbor's house). Well you can pay cash for one of
>these boxes and not ever give your name or address. So how would they know
>what box you had to activate it?
>

Posted by RVer Don on June 14, 2008, 12:59 am

Only one government converter box is needed per
> household; simply place it in line with your outdoor TV antenna and
> feed all household TV receivers that are on the cable line.

That will work just fine as long as all you want to watch is the same
channel on every TV.

Don



Posted by Vince on June 14, 2008, 12:38 pm
wrote:

>
>Only one government converter box is needed per
>> household; simply place it in line with your outdoor TV antenna and
>> feed all household TV receivers that are on the cable line.
>
>That will work just fine as long as all you want to watch is the same
>channel on every TV.
>
>Don
>

As a matter of fact, two government vouchers per household are now or
in the future made available. At my end, there are two people and two
(analog tuner) TV receivers.

We are, reluctantly, on CableTV subscription service and recently lost
ten channels at one TV due to just one CableTV converter box being
provided to us at no cost (at this time) .

I spent some time reading and downloading articles about DTV, etc.
this morning. My argument is with the CableTelevision Industry,
rather than Big Brother.

I might need to put up a 50 foot tower and go SatTV soon after my main
(1986 era) TV receiver finally goes down. It has a problem with its
internal analog tuner as well as a HV problem now.










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