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Posted by Wayne Whitney on February 9, 2007, 1:09 pm
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> I don't want to just hang the beam, I want it on top (because I am
> removing a wall below and don't want it to show).
Typically the 2x6 ceiling joists would be sitting on the wall top
plates, so it should be a simple matter to sit the 4x12 beam on the
wall top plates so the bottom of the beam is aligned with the bottom
of the ceiling joists. If the issue is that you don't want the beam
to project horizontally the additional 3.5", just cut back the ceiling
joists 3.5" so the beam doesn't project. Be sure that the built-up
posts in the walls supporting the beam are adequate.
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> the 2x6s are old so they are wider then 1.5 inches, so might
> not fit a regular hanger.
No problem, joist hangers are made in a variety of widths, including
sizes for rough lumber.
Cheers, Wayne
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Posted by RayV on February 9, 2007, 1:39 pm
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> I don't want to just hang the beam, I want it on top (because I am
> removing a wall below and don't want it to show). The beam will be
> supported with blocking at both ends, so the beam will still support
> the joists. I looked through the simpson site and didn't see anything
> that jumped out at me for this.
> If I have to, I will inset it and use hangers, but that will be more
> work and the 2x6s are old so they are wider then 1.5 inches, so might
> not fit a regular hanger. As for the joist size, the joists are
> already there and they are just in the attic over a relitivly short
> span, so that shouldn't be a problem
> Getting a cutoms welded bracket is probably out of my price range.
> Thanks
Now I get it.
Maybe something along the lines of these things
http://www.framingconnectors.com/STTW04.html
They are cheap enough you could put them on either side of each joist
on both sides of the beam giving you a total of four 'straps' at each
beam/joist intersection. With good size nails pounded into every
available hole would probably easily hold up the joists.
You could probably even bolt the two straps on either side of the beam
and joist. Still I would be wary of such light duty connectors.
Go to a real lumber yard like 84 Lumber and ask them. There has to be
some kind of ready made hanger to do what you want.
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Posted by Tom J on February 9, 2007, 1:49 pm
RayV wrote:
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> Maybe something along the lines of these things
> http://www.framingconnectors.com/STTW04.html
> They are cheap enough you could put them on either side of each
> joist
> on both sides of the beam giving you a total of four 'straps' at
> each
> beam/joist intersection. With good size nails pounded into every
> available hole would probably easily hold up the joists.
> You could probably even bolt the two straps on either side of the
> beam
> and joist. **** Still I would be wary of such light duty
> connectors*****.
That's the reason I suggested the pre-drilled angle iron for this
application.
Tom J
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Posted by Lawrence on February 9, 2007, 2:58 pm
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> I don't want to just hang the beam, I want it on top (because I am
> removing a wall below and don't want it to show). The beam will be
> supported with blocking at both ends, so the beam will still support
> the joists. I looked through the simpson site and didn't see anything
> that jumped out at me for this.
The beam will not support anything that is below it. it must be
placed underneath the load for any support to occur. Is this you own
personal fantasy or did you run this idea past anyone with any
experience like a carpenter?? It sound like you thing these hangars
are going to support the load. That is wrong headed in my opinion.
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> If I have to, I will inset it and use hangers, but that will be more
> work and the 2x6s are old so they are wider then 1.5 inches, so might
> not fit a regular hanger. As for the joist size, the joists are
> already there and they are just in the attic over a relitivly short
> span, so that shouldn't be a problem
> Getting a cutoms welded bracket is probably out of my price range.
You will need a damn strong bracket if you are doing what I think. You
likely wont' find it on the shelf. If you design the bracket and
provide drawings you can hire a welder/fabricator cheaper than you
might think. Where I live metalworkers are everwhere and every farmer
and mechanic does welding. Everything is negotiable with these guys
and a lot are out of work.
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Posted by lp13-30 on February 9, 2007, 3:17 pm
I always want things like this to be many times stronger than actually
needed, but this is not going to require some 1/2" thick steel brackets.
Look at the weight a joist hanger will support vs. how light and flimsy
they look. Larry
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> removing a wall below and don't want it to show).