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Tile - better supplier than HomeDepot kellyj00@gmail.com 11-29-2006
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Posted by thetiler on November 30, 2006, 12:25 am




> Troll alert!

More like 'stupid alert'.

This person is supposedly buying a batch of tile for the first
time, yet makes a judgment on Home Depot.

Tile contractors like myself generally buy from tile wholesale
suppliers because they are experts in servicing the tile trade.

Home Depot though doesn't necessarily have bad tile. It's
actually often pretty good quality stuff. I used Dal-Tile for
15 years here, dealing with their local distributor until the help
got dummer and dummer and I gave up on them, but Home
Depot sells Dal-Tile and it is good hard material.

The main problem with Home Depot is that the workers are
totally clueless about the tile trade, yet pretend to be experts.
When I'm in the tile dept. there buying misc. tools and bits,
I often overhear the advice they are giving the public about
installation, and it scares me. If I wanted to know about
something I knew nothing about, such as electrical, I'd
talk to the people at an electrical supply house before I'd
ask the "guy at home depot".

I also don't see the reasoning or logic behind going through
all the effort to install 1000 ft. of tile, as the poster says he
wants to do, and install the cheapest crap I can find.
It always seemed more sensible, if I'm going to bust my
butt and do that much tilework, to use good quality materials,
and end up with a very good job.
The duration of the cheap tile could only be a few years,
vs. 25 years or more for good material.

Hard grade 4 tile in the outdated 12x12 size can be had for
$1 a foot. Only a fool would search to pay less for crap tile
and go through the process of installing it, just to save maybe
$300.

thetiler


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Posted by kellyj00@gmail.com on November 30, 2006, 8:37 am


Thanks for the rant tiler guy. I wish you the best in your efforts to
belittle people and the DIY spirit via the internet.

This is part of the reason why I'm doing this project myself, you never
know what to expect when you hire folks like "thetiler" to do work.
Whether he does a decent job of not, I don't let guests with this sort
of an attitude into my home, especially if I'm paying them.

Calling someone "stupid" isn't the best way to get anything done, but I
don't expect you to have time to think about etiquette, you're probably
very busy as there's a lot of folks using tile these days.


Posted by Kram on November 30, 2006, 10:02 am


Kelly, the tiler guy, if he offended your sensibility, is for the good,
look past the attitude, he is correct and you can learn from him. I work
at Home Depot in the tile aisle. There currently are 4 different types
of tile (all grade 4) that are less than $1 per square foot. One, Aticca
Beige at 58 cents per square foot, 12 x 12, one, Maui at 66 cents per
square foot, 18 x 18, and 2, Elgin Grey, and some other beige at 77 cents
per square foot, 12 x 12. These are "National lot promotions" and should
be at every home depot.

What kills me is that people buy the cheapest tile, but then spend 4
times more for premixed thinset (mastic) that covers one third of the
area and doesn't adhere anything like a portland thinset.

You've asked no probing questions about what to use, how to do it, just
where to get cheap tile. How sincere is that? You set yourself up on
this one.

Mark from Home Depot

> Thanks for the rant tiler guy. I wish you the best in your efforts to
> belittle people and the DIY spirit via the internet.
>
> This is part of the reason why I'm doing this project myself, you never
> know what to expect when you hire folks like "thetiler" to do work.
> Whether he does a decent job of not, I don't let guests with this sort
> of an attitude into my home, especially if I'm paying them.
>
> Calling someone "stupid" isn't the best way to get anything done, but I
> don't expect you to have time to think about etiquette, you're probably
> very busy as there's a lot of folks using tile these days.
>
>


Posted by thetiler on December 1, 2006, 12:08 am



kellyj00@gmail.com wrote:
> Thanks for the rant tiler guy. I wish you the best in your efforts to
> belittle people and the DIY spirit via the internet.
>
> This is part of the reason why I'm doing this project myself, you never
> know what to expect when you hire folks like "thetiler" to do work.
> Whether he does a decent job of not, I don't let guests with this sort
> of an attitude into my home, especially if I'm paying them.
>
> Calling someone "stupid" isn't the best way to get anything done, but I
> don't expect you to have time to think about etiquette, you're probably
> very busy as there's a lot of folks using tile these days.

If you come into a repair newsgoup and ask "experts" for advice,
don't announce that you want the cheapest crap material possible.
That's what makes it a stupid question.
Also you assumed that Home Depot doesn't have inexpensive tile,
probably without knowing anything about what you're saying.

I've seen maybe hundreds of bad- crappy DIY tile jobs and have
no respect for anyone planning on doing one. I've also seen many
good DIY jobs that the DIY has taken the time and preparation and
counsel to perform.

I've had thousands of calls and subsequent conversations about
proposed tile work. The absolute worst questions I get are "how
cheap can you do it"....."I just want to do it as cheap as
possible"......
"I'm looking for the cheapest bid possible".... etc.

The flip-side of that are the most intelligent questions..... "I'm
wanting
to do it right, what would you recommend"......"we need advice and
are open to your ideas"...... "is it possible to get a good quality
tile
at a reasonable price".....etc.

There are two kinds of DIY'ers- one's that are open to right ideas
and procedures, and those who already came up with a plan without
any advice and councel, and are just posting or asking the questions
to fit their bad plan. I'll always spend way too much time helping
the
first type because I want to persuade them to do the job right, but
I have no patience for people who have their own plan.

I gave you good advice in my reponse to you- get some $1 a foot
grade-4 12x12 tile. Use $15 a bag multi-purpose thinset, and get
good advice on how to do it right. Then you'll have a long lasting
floor you can be proud of, and one that the future owner of your
home won't curse you for.

thetiler


Posted by krw on November 30, 2006, 11:31 am


thetiler@juno.com says...
>
>
> > Troll alert!
>
> More like 'stupid alert'.
>
> This person is supposedly buying a batch of tile for the first
> time, yet makes a judgment on Home Depot.

I thought the $1/sq.ft. comment was the dumbest part. What other
decent floor covering can you buy for less than several times that?
Ok, add in the thinset, backer, and some tools and maybe it's
$2/sq.ft.

> Tile contractors like myself generally buy from tile wholesale
> suppliers because they are experts in servicing the tile trade.

The tile guy I worked with when I was in NY had me go to the local
tile stores, with a preference for one. Dropped his name and they
were eating out of my hand. ;-)

> Home Depot though doesn't necessarily have bad tile. It's
> actually often pretty good quality stuff. I used Dal-Tile for
> 15 years here, dealing with their local distributor until the help
> got dummer and dummer and I gave up on them, but Home
> Depot sells Dal-Tile and it is good hard material.

I've bought a fair amount of tile from the HomeDespot. Their
choices are limited but I don't see anything wrong with the tile
(grade 4).

> The main problem with Home Depot is that the workers are
> totally clueless about the tile trade, yet pretend to be experts.
> When I'm in the tile dept. there buying misc. tools and bits,
> I often overhear the advice they are giving the public about
> installation, and it scares me. If I wanted to know about
> something I knew nothing about, such as electrical, I'd
> talk to the people at an electrical supply house before I'd
> ask the "guy at home depot".

I guess this is variable. I've heard their people suck, but I've
found the local HomeDespot to be pretty good. The one piece of
advice they gave me a while back was to forget mastic for a small
job (~10sq.ft. outside utility closet), rather use thinset.

> I also don't see the reasoning or logic behind going through
> all the effort to install 1000 ft. of tile, as the poster says he
> wants to do, and install the cheapest crap I can find.
> It always seemed more sensible, if I'm going to bust my
> butt and do that much tilework, to use good quality materials,
> and end up with a very good job.
> The duration of the cheap tile could only be a few years,
> vs. 25 years or more for good material.

Expensive <> good. This is one area where high price is no proof
of high quality.

> Hard grade 4 tile in the outdated 12x12 size can be had for
> $1 a foot. Only a fool would search to pay less for crap tile
> and go through the process of installing it, just to save maybe
> $300.

No argument here! 1000st.ft. is going to be a major project. A
few hundred bucks is small change.

--
Keith

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