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Posted by Arbee on April 17, 2009, 9:56 am
Hello. I had a roof leak that softened by plaster and lathe shower
wall and bulged the wall. I removed all the tiles from the affected
area, removed the P&L and installed Durock. I'm now ready to re-tile.
I just wanted to get some advice on how to best do this. I have read
countless posts indicating that you can forget the premixed adhesives
for shower walls, so I will be using a dry modified thinset. My main
concern (other than mixing the thinset to the proper consistency) is
making sure the tiles don't slide down the wall. Maybe this won't be
an issue since they are only 4 x 4 or so but i'm not sure. since I'm
replacing tiles I really can't start at the bottom and work my way up,
it really has to be from the top down, beginning where the existing
tiles are still on the wall.
Can anyone recommend a thinset with good adhesion and/or give me some
tips to keep the tiles in place? I've already read that I should keep
my trowel lines horizontal, which makes sense. Should I be taping the
tiles to the tiles above as I work my way down?
Any advice would be appreciated. Thanks.
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Posted by Limp Arbor on April 17, 2009, 11:19 am
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> Hello. I had a roof leak that softened by plaster and lathe shower
> wall and bulged the wall. I removed all the tiles from the affected
> area, removed the P&L and installed Durock. I'm now ready to re-tile.
> I just wanted to get some advice on how to best do this. I have read
> countless posts indicating that you can forget the premixed adhesives
> for shower walls, so I will be using a dry modified thinset. My main
> concern (other than mixing the thinset to the proper consistency) is
> making sure the tiles don't slide down the wall. Maybe this won't be
> an issue since they are only 4 x 4 or so but i'm not sure. since I'm
> replacing tiles I really can't start at the bottom and work my way up,
> it really has to be from the top down, beginning where the existing
> tiles are still on the wall.
> Can anyone recommend a thinset with good adhesion and/or give me some
> tips to keep the tiles in place? I've already read that I should keep
> my trowel lines horizontal, which makes sense. Should I be taping the
> tiles to the tiles above as I work my way down?
> Any advice would be appreciated. Thanks.
You should be fine with 4x4 tiles. I recently did a bathroom with 6x6
tiles and had no sliding problems on the cement board or the drywall
using tile mortar from the Borg.
If you are concerned start at the bottom and work your way up using
those plastic tile spacers. If your tile has those little self-
spacing nubs you shouldn't need anything.
FWIW I did a shower 4 years ago using mastic and the tiles are still
solid. They were 4x4 and well-grouted after giving the mastic a few
days to dry. From what I have heard the problem with the pre-mixed
stuff is it never fully cures on larger tiles because the air can't
get to the center of the tile. Who knows, it could all be urban
legend...
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Posted by Arbee on April 17, 2009, 11:32 am
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> > Hello. I had a roof leak that softened by plaster and lathe shower
> > wall and bulged the wall. I removed all the tiles from the affected
> > area, removed the P&L and installed Durock. I'm now ready to re-tile.
> > I just wanted to get some advice on how to best do this. I have read
> > countless posts indicating that you can forget the premixed adhesives
> > for shower walls, so I will be using a dry modified thinset. My main
> > concern (other than mixing the thinset to the proper consistency) is
> > making sure the tiles don't slide down the wall. Maybe this won't be
> > an issue since they are only 4 x 4 or so but i'm not sure. since I'm
> > replacing tiles I really can't start at the bottom and work my way up,
> > it really has to be from the top down, beginning where the existing
> > tiles are still on the wall.
> > Can anyone recommend a thinset with good adhesion and/or give me some
> > tips to keep the tiles in place? I've already read that I should keep
> > my trowel lines horizontal, which makes sense. Should I be taping the
> > tiles to the tiles above as I work my way down?
> > Any advice would be appreciated. Thanks.
> You should be fine with 4x4 tiles. =A0I recently did a bathroom with 6x6
> tiles and had no sliding problems on the cement board or the drywall
> using tile mortar from the Borg.
> If you are concerned start at the bottom and work your way up using
> those plastic tile spacers. =A0If your tile has those little self-
> spacing nubs you shouldn't need anything.
> FWIW I did a shower 4 years ago using mastic and the tiles are still
> solid. =A0They were 4x4 and well-grouted after giving the mastic a few
> days to dry. =A0From what I have heard the problem with the pre-mixed
> stuff is it never fully cures on larger tiles because the air can't
> get to the center of the tile. =A0Who knows, it could all be urban
> legend...
Thanks for the reply. Your 6x6 experience makes me feel a bit better.
Tiling just makes me nervous, once you put some thinset on the wall
it's game on, no turning back. Fear of commitment, I guess. :)
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Posted by dadiOH on April 17, 2009, 12:00 pm
Arbee wrote:
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>>> Hello. I had a roof leak that softened by plaster and lathe shower
>>> wall and bulged the wall. I removed all the tiles from the affected
>>> area, removed the P&L and installed Durock. I'm now ready to
>>> re-tile. I just wanted to get some advice on how to best do this. I
>>> have read countless posts indicating that you can forget the
>>> premixed adhesives for shower walls, so I will be using a dry
>>> modified thinset. My main concern (other than mixing the thinset to
>>> the proper consistency) is making sure the tiles don't slide down
>>> the wall. Maybe this won't be an issue since they are only 4 x 4 or
>>> so but i'm not sure. since I'm replacing tiles I really can't start
>>> at the bottom and work my way up, it really has to be from the top
>>> down, beginning where the existing tiles are still on the wall.
>>> Can anyone recommend a thinset with good adhesion and/or give me
>>> some tips to keep the tiles in place? I've already read that I
>>> should keep my trowel lines horizontal, which makes sense. Should I
>>> be taping the tiles to the tiles above as I work my way down?
>>> Any advice would be appreciated. Thanks.
>> You should be fine with 4x4 tiles. I recently did a bathroom with 6x6
>> tiles and had no sliding problems on the cement board or the drywall
>> using tile mortar from the Borg.
>> If you are concerned start at the bottom and work your way up using
>> those plastic tile spacers. If your tile has those little self-
>> spacing nubs you shouldn't need anything.
>> FWIW I did a shower 4 years ago using mastic and the tiles are still
>> solid. They were 4x4 and well-grouted after giving the mastic a few
>> days to dry. From what I have heard the problem with the pre-mixed
>> stuff is it never fully cures on larger tiles because the air can't
>> get to the center of the tile. Who knows, it could all be urban
>> legend...
> Thanks for the reply. Your 6x6 experience makes me feel a bit better.
> Tiling just makes me nervous, once you put some thinset on the wall
> it's game on, no turning back. Fear of commitment, I guess. :)
Nahhh...you can always scrape off the thinset. And if you've already stuck
on tiles they'll pop off easily enough for some time.
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Posted by evodawg on April 17, 2009, 10:42 pm
Arbee wrote:
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>> > Hello. I had a roof leak that softened by plaster and lathe shower
>> > wall and bulged the wall. I removed all the tiles from the affected
>> > area, removed the P&L and installed Durock. I'm now ready to re-tile.
>> > I just wanted to get some advice on how to best do this. I have read
>> > countless posts indicating that you can forget the premixed adhesives
>> > for shower walls, so I will be using a dry modified thinset. My main
>> > concern (other than mixing the thinset to the proper consistency) is
>> > making sure the tiles don't slide down the wall. Maybe this won't be
>> > an issue since they are only 4 x 4 or so but i'm not sure. since I'm
>> > replacing tiles I really can't start at the bottom and work my way up,
>> > it really has to be from the top down, beginning where the existing
>> > tiles are still on the wall.
>> > Can anyone recommend a thinset with good adhesion and/or give me some
>> > tips to keep the tiles in place? I've already read that I should keep
>> > my trowel lines horizontal, which makes sense. Should I be taping the
>> > tiles to the tiles above as I work my way down?
>> > Any advice would be appreciated. Thanks.
>> You should be fine with 4x4 tiles. I recently did a bathroom with 6x6
>> tiles and had no sliding problems on the cement board or the drywall
>> using tile mortar from the Borg.
>> If you are concerned start at the bottom and work your way up using
>> those plastic tile spacers. If your tile has those little self-
>> spacing nubs you shouldn't need anything.
>> FWIW I did a shower 4 years ago using mastic and the tiles are still
>> solid. They were 4x4 and well-grouted after giving the mastic a few
>> days to dry. From what I have heard the problem with the pre-mixed
>> stuff is it never fully cures on larger tiles because the air can't
>> get to the center of the tile. Who knows, it could all be urban
>> legend...
>
> Thanks for the reply. Your 6x6 experience makes me feel a bit better.
> Tiling just makes me nervous, once you put some thinset on the wall
> it's game on, no turning back. Fear of commitment, I guess. :)
You should also make sure your corners are square and plumb. Try not to get
to a point where you have smaller than 1/3 of a tile in those corners. Line
up your tiles first and move them left or right so you get as much tile on
either side where they meet in the corners. When tiling is done instead of
using grout in the corners use a colored grout caulk. Probably, non sanded
in your case. Corners can move with the settling of the house and grout can
crack. Caulk will give and flex. There's many books on this subject and you
should get one. Like using a ledger board screwed temporaryly to the hardy
board to use as a starting point. I always use them to start my second row.
Install it just short of a full tile. Reason. Bathtubs are now always level
and you may have to cut tile for that first row. GET A BOOK. I could write
a book just trying to explain many other tips on tiling I have given you
like 5 already.
Rich
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> wall and bulged the wall. I removed all the tiles from the affected
> area, removed the P&L and installed Durock. I'm now ready to re-tile.
> I just wanted to get some advice on how to best do this. I have read
> countless posts indicating that you can forget the premixed adhesives
> for shower walls, so I will be using a dry modified thinset. My main
> concern (other than mixing the thinset to the proper consistency) is
> making sure the tiles don't slide down the wall. Maybe this won't be
> an issue since they are only 4 x 4 or so but i'm not sure. since I'm
> replacing tiles I really can't start at the bottom and work my way up,
> it really has to be from the top down, beginning where the existing
> tiles are still on the wall.
> Can anyone recommend a thinset with good adhesion and/or give me some
> tips to keep the tiles in place? I've already read that I should keep
> my trowel lines horizontal, which makes sense. Should I be taping the
> tiles to the tiles above as I work my way down?
> Any advice would be appreciated. Thanks.