Time change due

Posted by Josh on October 11, 2009, 12:09 pm

wrote:

>Ed Pawlowski wrote:

>>> If I was benign dictator of the world, canceling daylight savings would
>>> one of the edicts in the first couple of days. Want more daylight? Get up
>>> earlier.

>>
>> I get up in the dark now so how will that get me more daylight?
>>
>> The light to dark ratio changes with the season, but the start work in light
>> or dark is not only a function of DST, but of your place in the time zone.
>> Personally, I'd like to see the time shifted forward an hour, like it is in
>> DST, year round. If I lived at the western end of the zone, I'd probably
>> not care. My choice is to have the daylight time at the end of the work day,
>> not the beginning, but others probably differ.
>>
>>
>>

>Well, yeah, I do understand that one person can't unilaterally change
>the hours his employer is open. But that puts the onus on the employers,
>schools, whatever. Change the schedules to start earlier when dawn comes
>earlier, so your employees can have evening daylight to do whatever.
>Pretty routine in construction down south. Crews start at first light,
>to work in the cooler part of the day.

It's a psychological problem -- I know ltime is just a number, but
that number is deeply ingrained in our mind -- "9 to 5", "news at 11"
(or 10), etc.

I'm a prime example -- I'm generally a night owl, and while I *love*
Daylight Saving Time for the "extra" hour of light after work, I'd
bristle angrily if my employer suggested that I come in at 7 instead
of 8 for half the year. Yes, I know it's exactly the same thing, but
I'd still have trouble with it (and often be late), and I suspect many
many others are the same. I can look at a clock that says midnight,
and know it's time to go to sleep regardless of the actual time, but
I'd have trouble looking at a clock that says 11PM and convincing
myself it was time to go to bed.

Perhaps if *everything* shifted, from TV schedules to evening classes
to store opening/closing hours...but then it's really DST again :-)

Josh

Posted by stan on October 11, 2009, 12:53 pm

> wrote:

> >Ed Pawlowski wrote:

> >>> If I was benign dictator of the world, canceling daylight savings wou=

> >>> one of the edicts in the first couple of days. Want more daylight? Ge=

t up

> >>> earlier.
> >> I get up in the dark now so how will that get me more daylight?
> >> The light to dark ratio changes with the season, but the start work in=

light

> >> or dark is not only a function of DST, but of your place in the time z=

one.

> >> Personally, I'd like to see the time shifted forward an hour, like it =

is in

> >> DST, year round. =A0If I lived at the western end of the zone, I'd pro=

bably

> >> not care. My choice is to have the daylight time at the end of the wor=

k day,

> >> not the beginning, but others probably differ.

> >Well, yeah, I do understand that one person can't unilaterally change
> >the hours his employer is open. But that puts the onus on the employers,
> >schools, whatever. Change the schedules to start earlier when dawn comes
> >earlier, so your employees can have evening daylight to do whatever.
> >Pretty routine in construction down south. Crews start at first light,
> >to work in the cooler part of the day.

> It's a psychological problem -- I know ltime is just a number, but
> that number is deeply ingrained in our mind -- "9 to 5", "news at 11"
> (or 10), etc.
> I'm a prime example -- I'm generally a night owl, and while I *love*
> Daylight Saving Time for the "extra" hour of light after work, I'd
> bristle angrily if my employer suggested that I come in at 7 instead
> of 8 for half the year. =A0Yes, I know it's exactly the same thing, but
> I'd still have trouble with it (and often be late), and I suspect many
> many others are the same. =A0I can look at a clock that says midnight,
> and know it's time to go to sleep regardless of the actual time, but
> I'd have trouble looking at a clock that says 11PM and convincing
> myself it was time to go to bed.
> Perhaps if *everything* shifted, from TV schedules to evening classes
> to store opening/closing hours...but then it's really DST again :-)
> Josh- Hide quoted text -
> - Show quoted text -

OK time to float my crazy idea!
We should have one world wide time system.
So zero hours in say New York (or Zurich, Moscow, London etc.) would
also be zero hours 'everywhere' in the world.
Much simpler?
Midnight in New York is presently 01.30h in the morning here on the
east coast of Canada and 05.00h in London!
So what?
With one World Time Zone, I'd soon get used to getting up when my
clock read 05.30 instead of 07.00h, or having supper when the clock
reads 16.30h instead of 6.00 PM!
By the way it should be a 24 hour system not this weird 12 hour
division!
I notice that some people when travelling away from home will keep
their watch on 'home time' so as to keep in touch with events they are
used to. While the zone they may actually be in can be many hours
ahead or behind!
Living for while in the Middle East one was aware that early morning
(6.00 AM) North American radio broadcasts available via the inter-net
occurred at half past midday! Didn't matter what the clock said,
that's when they were available!
Flame away!

Posted by aemeijers on October 11, 2009, 1:01 pm

stan wrote:

>> wrote:

>>> Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>>>> If I was benign dictator of the world, canceling daylight savings would
>>>>> one of the edicts in the first couple of days. Want more daylight? Get up
>>>>> earlier.
>>>> I get up in the dark now so how will that get me more daylight?
>>>> The light to dark ratio changes with the season, but the start work in light
>>>> or dark is not only a function of DST, but of your place in the time zone.
>>>> Personally, I'd like to see the time shifted forward an hour, like it is in
>>>> DST, year round. If I lived at the western end of the zone, I'd probably
>>>> not care. My choice is to have the daylight time at the end of the work day,
>>>> not the beginning, but others probably differ.
>>> Well, yeah, I do understand that one person can't unilaterally change
>>> the hours his employer is open. But that puts the onus on the employers,
>>> schools, whatever. Change the schedules to start earlier when dawn comes
>>> earlier, so your employees can have evening daylight to do whatever.
>>> Pretty routine in construction down south. Crews start at first light,
>>> to work in the cooler part of the day.

>> It's a psychological problem -- I know ltime is just a number, but
>> that number is deeply ingrained in our mind -- "9 to 5", "news at 11"
>> (or 10), etc.
>> I'm a prime example -- I'm generally a night owl, and while I *love*
>> Daylight Saving Time for the "extra" hour of light after work, I'd
>> bristle angrily if my employer suggested that I come in at 7 instead
>> of 8 for half the year. Yes, I know it's exactly the same thing, but
>> I'd still have trouble with it (and often be late), and I suspect many
>> many others are the same. I can look at a clock that says midnight,
>> and know it's time to go to sleep regardless of the actual time, but
>> I'd have trouble looking at a clock that says 11PM and convincing
>> myself it was time to go to bed.
>> Perhaps if *everything* shifted, from TV schedules to evening classes
>> to store opening/closing hours...but then it's really DST again :-)
>> Josh- Hide quoted text -
>> - Show quoted text -

>
> OK time to float my crazy idea!
> We should have one world wide time system.
> So zero hours in say New York (or Zurich, Moscow, London etc.) would
> also be zero hours 'everywhere' in the world.
> Much simpler?
> Midnight in New York is presently 01.30h in the morning here on the
> east coast of Canada and 05.00h in London!
> So what?
> With one World Time Zone, I'd soon get used to getting up when my
> clock read 05.30 instead of 07.00h, or having supper when the clock
> reads 16.30h instead of 6.00 PM!
> By the way it should be a 24 hour system not this weird 12 hour
> division!
> I notice that some people when travelling away from home will keep
> their watch on 'home time' so as to keep in touch with events they are
> used to. While the zone they may actually be in can be many hours
> ahead or behind!
> Living for while in the Middle East one was aware that early morning
> (6.00 AM) North American radio broadcasts available via the inter-net
> occurred at half past midday! Didn't matter what the clock said,
> that's when they were available!
> Flame away!

Shrug. I make my living from the government at the fringes of the IT
world, with an agency that has offices all over the world. Zulu and 24
hour clock are second nature. My peeve is some mail systems correct the
time stamp to local time, and some don't. Makes it hard to sort the
inbox sometimes. It was easier in the old AUTODIN message days, when
everything was Zulu.

--
aem sends...

Posted by Ed Pawlowski on October 11, 2009, 2:08 pm

Posted by harry k on October 12, 2009, 11:56 am

> OK time to float my crazy idea!
> We should have one world wide time system.
> So zero hours in say New York (or Zurich, Moscow, London etc.) would
> also be zero hours 'everywhere' in the world.
> Much simpler?
> Midnight in New York is presently 01.30h in the morning here on the
> east coast of Canada and 05.00h in London!
> So what?
> *************************************************************
> We have GMT so everything would go from there It should also be a 24 hour
> time so there is no AM or PM =A0confusion.

As for confusion, try working out near the International Date Line. I
spent 18 months in far out Aleutians where our work was in Zulu time
so the date changed at 11 am....or was it 1pm? Add in almost 24 hour
dark or light and things really got confusing. I once came in from
shift, flaked out, woke up clock said it ws time to get up for next
shift. Wandered totallyi deserted hallways for awhile before I
figured out I had only been in bed a hour or so.

Harry K

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