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Tracing a sewer line Grandpa 03-06-2007
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Posted by Steve B on March 6, 2007, 11:41 pm



>
>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Steve, that was nasty.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Huh?
>>>
>>> Dowsing is folklore.
>>>
>>
>> Well, then don't use it. Go out and hire a guy and pay him whatever he
>> wants. The man asked for ideas. I gave him one. It was free, and
>> thoroughly worth the price. If he wants to try it, great. There is no
>> obligation to do anything I suggested.
>>
>> As I said, I have used it, and it has worked for me countless times, and
>> left more than one person scratching their nuts and commenting,
>> "Golleeee." I'd bet a hundred dollar bill against a cold beer that I
>> could find the line.
>>
>> Was I absent the day you were put in charge?
>>
> I'm trained in science, and know a hundred reasons why it can't work. But,
> I grew up in construction, and have SEEN it work multiple times. I try not
> to think about it- makes my head hurt.
>
> aem sends...
>

I have seen it so many times. People who can't take in what they see,
confused so much by what they know.

I have heard it as "educated beyond capacity."

Drug companies went to jungles and asked old shamans what they used for
headaches, for diarrhea, for menstrual cramps, for sleeplessness.

The old ones took them to herbs and roots. When analyzed, they had some
ingredients that were helpful to the specific complaints. Kind of like
modern medicine poo poohing the ideas of acupuncture, acupressure, and
holistic medicines in favor of spendier brand name cures.

We are all hard wired. When we go against instincts, things we can see, and
instead go for things we have been indoctrinated in, there can only be
conflict.

I turn on the switch. The light comes on. Do I need to fully understand
the process?

Steve



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Posted by Bud-- on March 7, 2007, 11:52 am


aemeijers wrote:

>>
>>Well, then don't use it. Go out and hire a guy and pay him whatever he
>>wants. The man asked for ideas. I gave him one. It was free, and
>>thoroughly worth the price. If he wants to try it, great. There is no
>>obligation to do anything I suggested.
>>
>>As I said, I have used it, and it has worked for me countless times, and
>>left more than one person scratching their nuts and commenting,
>>"Golleeee." I'd bet a hundred dollar bill against a cold beer that I could
>>find the line.
>>
>>Was I absent the day you were put in charge?
>>
>
> I'm trained in science, and know a hundred reasons why it can't work. But, I
> grew up in construction, and have SEEN it work multiple times. I try not to
> think about it- makes my head hurt.
>

If the ability can be demonstrated someone can make $1 million
http://www.randi.org/research/index.html
People have tried and the $ is still there.

--
bud--

Posted by Steve B on March 7, 2007, 12:04 pm



> aemeijers wrote:
>
>>>
>>>Well, then don't use it. Go out and hire a guy and pay him whatever he
>>>wants. The man asked for ideas. I gave him one. It was free, and
>>>thoroughly worth the price. If he wants to try it, great. There is no
>>>obligation to do anything I suggested.
>>>
>>>As I said, I have used it, and it has worked for me countless times, and
>>>left more than one person scratching their nuts and commenting,
>>>"Golleeee." I'd bet a hundred dollar bill against a cold beer that I
>>>could find the line.
>>>
>>>Was I absent the day you were put in charge?
>>>
>>
>> I'm trained in science, and know a hundred reasons why it can't work.
>> But, I grew up in construction, and have SEEN it work multiple times. I
>> try not to think about it- makes my head hurt.
>>
>
> If the ability can be demonstrated someone can make $1 million
> http://www.randi.org/research/index.html
> People have tried and the $ is still there.
>
> --
> bud--

I doubt that two wires moving with relationship to an electromagnetic field,
or some other measurable force would be considered paranormal.

How does the water guy come out with a device and find lines?

Look. It's simple. It's free. It works.

If that's not good enough, let your fingers do the walking.

Steve



Posted by Charles Schuler on March 7, 2007, 4:25 pm



> aemeijers wrote:
>
>>>
>>>Well, then don't use it. Go out and hire a guy and pay him whatever he
>>>wants. The man asked for ideas. I gave him one. It was free, and
>>>thoroughly worth the price. If he wants to try it, great. There is no
>>>obligation to do anything I suggested.
>>>
>>>As I said, I have used it, and it has worked for me countless times, and
>>>left more than one person scratching their nuts and commenting,
>>>"Golleeee." I'd bet a hundred dollar bill against a cold beer that I
>>>could find the line.
>>>
>>>Was I absent the day you were put in charge?
>>>
>>
>> I'm trained in science, and know a hundred reasons why it can't work.
>> But, I grew up in construction, and have SEEN it work multiple times. I
>> try not to think about it- makes my head hurt.
>>
>
> If the ability can be demonstrated someone can make $1 million
> http://www.randi.org/research/index.html
> People have tried and the $ is still there.

Here is a snip from the above site:

To put it simply, the ideo-motor reflex is the same thing that makes dowsers
believe that they are actually divining. Although you BELIEVE that you are
not influencing the movement of the yo-yo, you actually ARE, though you are
entirely unconscious of it. The only way to prove that you are not
physically influencing the yo-yo, would be for you to NOT hold the yo-yo
string.

Nobody has ever successfully demonstrated dowsing under controlled
conditions ... and nobody ever will ... it is just horsepucky.

But, assay the responses in this thread. It is alarming that science is so
ill understood in these times. The dark ages are coming back.

Thanks for the link Bud and for the ONLY reasoned response. Scary!



Posted by Mark Lloyd on March 7, 2007, 6:17 pm


On Wed, 7 Mar 2007 16:25:15 -0500, "Charles Schuler"

>
>> aemeijers wrote:
>>
>>>>
>>>>Well, then don't use it. Go out and hire a guy and pay him whatever he
>>>>wants. The man asked for ideas. I gave him one. It was free, and
>>>>thoroughly worth the price. If he wants to try it, great. There is no
>>>>obligation to do anything I suggested.
>>>>
>>>>As I said, I have used it, and it has worked for me countless times, and
>>>>left more than one person scratching their nuts and commenting,
>>>>"Golleeee." I'd bet a hundred dollar bill against a cold beer that I
>>>>could find the line.
>>>>
>>>>Was I absent the day you were put in charge?
>>>>
>>>
>>> I'm trained in science, and know a hundred reasons why it can't work.
>>> But, I grew up in construction, and have SEEN it work multiple times. I
>>> try not to think about it- makes my head hurt.
>>>
>>
>> If the ability can be demonstrated someone can make $1 million
>> http://www.randi.org/research/index.html
>> People have tried and the $ is still there.
>
>Here is a snip from the above site:
>
>To put it simply, the ideo-motor reflex is the same thing that makes dowsers
>believe that they are actually divining. Although you BELIEVE that you are
>not influencing the movement of the yo-yo, you actually ARE, though you are
>entirely unconscious of it. The only way to prove that you are not
>physically influencing the yo-yo, would be for you to NOT hold the yo-yo
>string.
>
>Nobody has ever successfully demonstrated dowsing under controlled
>conditions ... and nobody ever will ... it is just horsepucky.
>
>But, assay the responses in this thread. It is alarming that science is so
>ill understood in these times. The dark ages are coming back.
>

It really looks like that sometimes, considering the garbage seen in
so many posts. I was thinking of posting a link, but I see Bud already
did.

I seemed to have already learned BS detection by the age of 5. I still
don't understand why so few have.

>Thanks for the link Bud and for the ONLY reasoned response. Scary!
>
--
Mark Lloyd
http://notstupid.laughingsquid.com

"How could you ask me to believe in God when there's
absolutely no evidence that I can see?" -- Jodie Foster

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