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Travertine around pool query donhdoyle@yahoo.com 06-09-2006
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Posted by donhdoyle@yahoo.com on June 9, 2006, 6:21 am
We're adding a outdoor balcony, veranda, and pool deck and want to
cover it in 18 inch sqare travertine. We've found a Turkish stone that
is lightly tumbled (edges rough, partly unfilled but partly smooth).
It has the colors we like and is at a price we can afford ($5.25 per
square foot).
Travertine is beautiful, long lasting, and it gives the kind of Italian
look we want, but

1. I'm concerned about it becoming slippery when wet. Is that going
to be a problem?
Is this related to the sealant? What can I do, if I use this, to make
it less slippery.

2. the unfilled holes: are these going to be a problem? I don't expect
or even want a perfectly clean smooth tile surface outside, so that
doesn't bother me. But are there other problems I should be concerned
about.

I live in Columbia SC so the weather is generally warm with very
infrequent freezes. I'm told the light travertine stone is relatively
cool on the feet in the hot sun.

thanks
--Don


AppliancePartsPros.com, Inc.
Posted by Robert Gammon on June 9, 2006, 7:26 am
donhdoyle@yahoo.com wrote:
> We're adding a outdoor balcony, veranda, and pool deck and want to
> cover it in 18 inch sqare travertine. We've found a Turkish stone that
> is lightly tumbled (edges rough, partly unfilled but partly smooth).
> It has the colors we like and is at a price we can afford ($5.25 per
> square foot).
> Travertine is beautiful, long lasting, and it gives the kind of Italian
> look we want, but
>
> 1. I'm concerned about it becoming slippery when wet. Is that going
> to be a problem?
> Is this related to the sealant? What can I do, if I use this, to make
> it less slippery.
>
> 2. the unfilled holes: are these going to be a problem? I don't expect
> or even want a perfectly clean smooth tile surface outside, so that
> doesn't bother me. But are there other problems I should be concerned
> about.
>
> I live in Columbia SC so the weather is generally warm with very
> infrequent freezes. I'm told the light travertine stone is relatively
> cool on the feet in the hot sun.
>
> thanks
> --Don
>
>
I have done an experiment with a tumbled surface travertine sample. The
surface had NO visible unfilled areas. Got the stone VERY wet, put it
down on carpet and put my foot on it and PUSHED, The stone slipped on
the carpet before my foot skidded off the surface.

All travertine has voids in it, you pay for the fewest number and
smallest number of voids. www.marblemaster.com even explains the
difference and prices the quality levels differently.

Best Quality 18inch brushed travertine from MarbleMaster goes for $4.39
sq/Ft and shipping is free if 2000 Sq Ft or more are in the order.
OTOH, it is a freight shipment, and YOU are responsible for having a
suitable forklift available to unload the pallets (3240 lbs for 360 sq
ft. - each 7/16 inch thick tile weighs 14 pounds).

Posted by donhdoyle@yahoo.com on June 9, 2006, 9:46 pm

Robert Gammon wrote:
>...
> >
> I have done an experiment with a tumbled surface travertine sample. The
> surface had NO visible unfilled areas. Got the stone VERY wet, put it
> down on carpet and put my foot on it and PUSHED, The stone slipped on
> the carpet before my foot skidded off the surface.
>

In other words it is not slippery to the feet even when wet.
I may misunderstand but I thought that what they called tumbled usually
came with an unfilled surface
I will look further into marble master.
Thanks

.
> All travertine has voids in it, you pay for the fewest number and
> smallest number of voids. www.marblemaster.com even explains the
> difference and prices the quality levels differently.
>
> Best Quality 18inch brushed travertine from MarbleMaster goes for $4.39
> sq/Ft and shipping is free if 2000 Sq Ft or more are in the order.
> OTOH, it is a freight shipment, and YOU are responsible for having a
> suitable forklift available to unload the pallets (3240 lbs for 360 sq
> ft. - each 7/16 inch thick tile weighs 14 pounds).


Posted by Robert Gammon on June 10, 2006, 7:43 am
donhdoyle@yahoo.com wrote:
> Robert Gammon wrote:
>
>> ...
>>
>> I have done an experiment with a tumbled surface travertine sample. The
>> surface had NO visible unfilled areas. Got the stone VERY wet, put it
>> down on carpet and put my foot on it and PUSHED, The stone slipped on
>> the carpet before my foot skidded off the surface.
>>
>>
>
> In other words it is not slippery to the feet even when wet.
> I may misunderstand but I thought that what they called tumbled usually
> came with an unfilled surface
> I will look further into marble master.
> Thanks
>
> .
>
>> All travertine has voids in it, you pay for the fewest number and
>> smallest number of voids. www.marblemaster.com even explains the
>> difference and prices the quality levels differently.
>>
>> Best Quality 18inch brushed travertine from MarbleMaster goes for $4.39
>> sq/Ft and shipping is free if 2000 Sq Ft or more are in the order.
>> OTOH, it is a freight shipment, and YOU are responsible for having a
>> suitable forklift available to unload the pallets (3240 lbs for 360 sq
>> ft. - each 7/16 inch thick tile weighs 14 pounds).
>>
>
>
Tumbled surfaces can be applied to ANY natural stone. All it means is
that they do NOT apply a high polish to the stone. Basically the
grinder stops work when the finish gets to a certain point.

Travertine is an open surface stone. Sealers will not offer significant
protection. No doubt we have all seen granite tile installed outdoors
at public buildings. It wears great, but weathers to a dull surface
quickly (looks dingy)

The stone will look GREAT for the first few months/years.

I have had several conversations with MarbleMaster over the last several
years. Discuss your project with them and listen/read what they say
carefully. They may make some suggestions that will make your pool are
look MUCH better for a longer time.

I have seen photos of pool areas that have been finished with
Travertine, they look WONDERFUL when new.


Posted by Richard J Kinch on June 9, 2006, 7:02 pm
donhdoyle@yahoo.com writes:

> But are there other problems I should be concerned
> about.

You seem to be aware of the roughness. This will make it impossible to
keep clean. Are you aware of how porous and spongy travertine is? The
roughness means you will have vegetable material that will leach tannins
and foster mildew growth. This brown and black staining matter will soak
into the stone and stain it permanently. In short, this stone will weather
into a real dingy state, nothing like when it is new. Is this part of the
"Italian" look you are after?

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