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Posted by bud-- on July 19, 2007, 1:03 pm
ppwlee@gmail.com wrote:
It is possible that turn-on-with-motion, turn-off-manually is built into
some motion-detector-switch. What happens when your switch comes on with
motion and you turn it off. I presume you saw your switch stays on for
an adjustable time. Check the manual for the 3-way version of the switch
you have what happens when it turns on with motion and then the 3-way
circuit is turned on and off.
It could be done with a relay, but that is a lot of complication.
As John said, you might want to use a 3-way version of what you have.
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bud--
>
> I was able to take some pictures showing what I have:
>
> Existing wall switch (lower floor):
> http://members.shaw.ca/ppwlee/lowerswitch_back.JPG
> http://members.shaw.ca/ppwlee/lowerswitch_side.JPG
> http://members.shaw.ca/ppwlee/lowerswitch_wall_outlet.JPG
>
> Motion sensor switch:
> http://members.shaw.ca/ppwlee/motionsensor.JPG
>
>
> I like to replace the lower floor light switch to a motion sensor so
> it will trigger the light to "on" but turn off by either the manual
> override on the motion sensor switch or the upper level switch (no
> shown).
>
>
> Thanks for any suggestion.
>
> Peter
>
> On Jul 15, 2:32 pm, ppw...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> William Underhill wrote:
>>>> ppw...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>> Hello, first time poster at DIY,
>>>>> My house currently has two 3-way switch controlling a light at the
>>>>> downstairs entrance. I like to turn one of the 3-way switch located at
>>>>> the lower floor to a motion sensor wall switch.
>>>>> I opened up the existing 3-way switch box and it has 3 terminals with
>>>>> 3 wires (black, red, white), how do I hook it up to my motion sensor
>>>>> switch which has 2 black wires and 1 green (ground wire)? My goal is
>>>>> to make the top floor switch either an independent switch, or "3-way"
>>>>> with the motion wall switch.
>>>>> Any help is appreciated. Thanks.
>>>>> Peter
>>>> Actually, if you look, you'll find your three-ways actually have 4 wires
>>>> - red, black, white and bare copper (the ground)
>>>> The problem you're going to have is that a three-way switch actually
>>>> works like this (bad ascii art coming up)
>>>> 2 black 4
>>>> 1 / o-----------------o \ 6 black 7 8 white
>>>> black ----o/ \o-----------o(L)o-----------.
>>>> o-----------------o |
>>>> 3 red 5 |
>>>> |
>>>> white ----------------------------------------------------------'
>>>> Consider the "o"s to be the terminals on the switch body; the ground
>>>> line is left off since it's not electrically part of the circuit. Each
>>>> switch can move to either the 'red' connection (terminals 3 and 5) or
>>>> the 'black' (terminals 2 and 4). The idea is if both switches are on the
>>>> same line, the light will be on. Since they have to be on one or the
>>>> other, changing just one switch can turn the light on or off, at either
>>>> end.
>>>> Now if you replace one of the switches with the motion sensor switch,
>>>> since it has only two connections (the black wires; again, the ground
>>>> doesn't count, for our purposes), you could connect to either the red
>>>> line or the black line, but not both.
>>>> 2 black blk
>>>> 1 / o---------x---[M]---. blk black 7 8 white
>>>> black ----o/ `-----x------o(L)o-----------.
>>>> o---------x |
>>>> 3 red |
>>>> |
>>>> white ----------------------------------------------------------'
>>>> Let's say it was connected to the black line from terminal 2. A safety
>>>> problem then arises, as it would be possible for the switch to be set to
>>>> the black line, which would now be energized but unconnected in the
>>>> other switch's box. To avoid the safety hazard, you would have to also
>>>> disconnect and terminate the red wire at terminal 3 in the remain switch
>>>> box - then all you have is a piece of wire running through the walls.
>>>> One of the things you don't say is how you want this to work. Do you
>>>> want the light to go on and off with the motion sensor detection, but
>>>> have the switch override it, so you can turn it on and leave it on? Or
>>>> turn it off and leave it off? Or both?
>>> Nice ASCII art.
>>> I agree that the OP is unclear what the swtiching is intended to do.
>>> As shown, in one switch position the light will come on only when there
>>> is motion. In the other switch position the light will never come on.
>>> Another possibility is one switch position the light comes on only when
>>> there is motion. The other position the light is always on. To get that
>>> - at the motion detector end connect the red to the black going to the
>>> light - terminal 5 to 6.
>>> You could also connect it so both 3-way switches work but a motion
>>> detector will always turn on the light.
>>> In the first diagram the white wire will probably connect to terminal 1
>>> or 6. In any case, when you look at the existing 3-way switch, 2
>>> terminals will be the same color and one will be different. The
>>> different color will be terminals 1 and 6. Keep track of which wire it is.
>>> What powers the motion detector?
>>> --
>>> bud--- Hide quoted text -
>>> - Show quoted text -
>> Hi,
>> Here it is:http://lighting.heath-zenith.com/products.cgi?type=4
>> Model number I have is SL-6105 (single pole)
>> Manual is:http://12.153.20.74/manuals/595-4881-09J.pdf
>> I like the idea of using the motion sensor as a over-ride, meaning it
>> will be triggered on by motion but only comes off when I turn off the
>> switch.
>> Can it be done? How?
>> Thanks.
>> Peter- Hide quoted text -
>> - Show quoted text -
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> I was able to take some pictures showing what I have:
>
> Existing wall switch (lower floor):
> http://members.shaw.ca/ppwlee/lowerswitch_back.JPG
> http://members.shaw.ca/ppwlee/lowerswitch_side.JPG
> http://members.shaw.ca/ppwlee/lowerswitch_wall_outlet.JPG
>
> Motion sensor switch:
> http://members.shaw.ca/ppwlee/motionsensor.JPG
>
>
> I like to replace the lower floor light switch to a motion sensor so
> it will trigger the light to "on" but turn off by either the manual
> override on the motion sensor switch or the upper level switch (no
> shown).
>
>
> Thanks for any suggestion.
>
> Peter
>
> On Jul 15, 2:32 pm, ppw...@gmail.com wrote: