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Posted by on September 8, 2008, 3:13 am
We are remodeling our bathroom and I want the "old fashioned" two
faucets: one for hot and the other for cold.
Both the plumber and the plumbing supply company say that two faucets
have been declared illegal and that we must, by law, use the one
faucet (for both hot and cold) in the shower. They say that the
legislature mandated one faucet in case someone flushed the toilet and
somebody else is taking a shower.
Only my wife (of 30 years) and I live at home and, duh, we know when
the other is showering or using the toilet. We knock on the wall or
simply ask, "may I flush?"
Yes, I have used the one faucet shower (e.g., hotels) and have a
strong preference for the two faucet shower.
Now, is it really true that some legislature has actually outlawed two
faucets in a shower?
If so, which legistature (e.g., federal, state, county)? I need to
see this in writing.
P.S. I can understand mandating safe electricity practices, of course,
but faucets in a shower?
Thanks.
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Posted by David Nebenzahl on September 8, 2008, 4:07 am
On 9/8/2008 12:13 AM samueltilden@gmail.com spake thus:
> We are remodeling our bathroom and I want the "old fashioned" two
> faucets: one for hot and the other for cold.
>
> Both the plumber and the plumbing supply company say that two faucets
> have been declared illegal and that we must, by law, use the one
> faucet (for both hot and cold) in the shower. They say that the
> legislature mandated one faucet in case someone flushed the toilet and
> somebody else is taking a shower.
Don't know for sure (IANAP[1]), but this one sure smells like BS to me.
Think about it: there's nothing about a single-handle control that's
going to control temperature in case someone flushes a toilet any better
than two faucets (assuming no tempering valve, auto temperature control,
etc.). So nothing inherently safer or less safe either way.
> Now, is it really true that some legislature has actually outlawed two
> faucets in a shower?
>
> If so, which legistature (e.g., federal, state, county)? I need to
> see this in writing.
Codes are written and enforced at the local (i.e., municipal or county)
level. There do exist national codes, but the local building inspector
is the one who has the final say-so.
[1] I am not a plumber.
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Washing one's hands of the conflict between the powerful and the
powerless means to side with the powerful, not to be neutral.
- Paulo Freire
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Posted by Phil Again on September 8, 2008, 7:00 am
On Mon, 08 Sep 2008 00:13:53 -0700, samueltilden wrote:
> We are remodeling our bathroom and I want the "old fashioned" two
> faucets: one for hot and the other for cold.
>
> Both the plumber and the plumbing supply company say that two faucets
> have been declared illegal and that we must, by law, use the one faucet
> (for both hot and cold) in the shower. They say that the legislature
> mandated one faucet in case someone flushed the toilet and somebody else
> is taking a shower.
>
> Only my wife (of 30 years) and I live at home and, duh, we know when the
> other is showering or using the toilet. We knock on the wall or simply
> ask, "may I flush?"
>
> Yes, I have used the one faucet shower (e.g., hotels) and have a strong
> preference for the two faucet shower.
>
> Now, is it really true that some legislature has actually outlawed two
> faucets in a shower?
>
> If so, which legistature (e.g., federal, state, county)? I need to see
> this in writing.
>
> P.S. I can understand mandating safe electricity practices, of course,
> but faucets in a shower?
>
> Thanks.
Don't know your state, but other locations don't have that restrictions
as far as I can discover from a quick Internet search. Several Plumbing
supply houses on Internet still sell 3 handle tub faucets just fine from
in-house stock.
You are just remodeling, not new construction on a new bathroom so I
don't see why you don't qualify for grandfather clause.
By the way, a scald guard can be place in the copper line going from the
diverter valve to the shower head. It is a just one more thing to fail
in the future so you have to take out some drywall.
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Posted by dadiOH on September 8, 2008, 7:14 am
samueltilden@gmail.com wrote:
> We are remodeling our bathroom and I want the "old fashioned" two
> faucets: one for hot and the other for cold.
>
> Both the plumber and the plumbing supply company say that two faucets
> have been declared illegal and that we must, by law, use the one
> faucet (for both hot and cold) in the shower. They say that the
> legislature mandated one faucet in case someone flushed the toilet and
> somebody else is taking a shower.
>
> Only my wife (of 30 years) and I live at home and, duh, we know when
> the other is showering or using the toilet. We knock on the wall or
> simply ask, "may I flush?"
>
> Yes, I have used the one faucet shower (e.g., hotels) and have a
> strong preference for the two faucet shower.
>
> Now, is it really true that some legislature has actually outlawed two
> faucets in a shower?
>
> If so, which legistature (e.g., federal, state, county)? I need to
> see this in writing.
Are you talking about the control valve? Lots of manufacturers make those
with two handles so you should have your plumber contact them and let them
know they are in violation of his law.
http://www.faucetline.com/DisplayProducts.asp?prodcat=Bathroom&prodmaincat=Two%20Handle%20Shower&prodsubcat=Two%20Handle%20Shower
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Posted by hallerb@aol.com on September 8, 2008, 7:44 am
The BEST upgrade we have made here for YEARS is the delta single
handle temp and seperate handlew for flow valve. not only does it
prevent scalds but it allows any flow from weak to powerful.
the lack of flow control is why ii hated single handled valves.
this solved that:) plus the valve has a lifetime parts guarantee.
american standard moved production overseas, and the replacement parts
for my old faucet werent very good.......
lastly at home resale time the buyer will want a discount, and look at
your home as a fixer upper...
your better off replacing the valve.........
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