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Un-insulated water heater tank by woodstove! Bill 03-28-2008
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Posted by Neon John on March 29, 2008, 2:41 pm


>I doubt that second issue. Depending on the insulation, of course, a hot
>water tank will hold heat for hours/days. While I don't doubt that standby
>losses are an issue, I don't think that under conditions of normal family
>use standby losses are greater than the energy it takes to heat the water in
>the first place.

More importantly, if the water heater is in habitable spaces then during the
heating
season, lost heat isn't wasted. It simply contributes to space heating. The
opposite is true in summer, of course. If the water heater is in a closet, then
one
can arrange some clever venting to conduct the heat directly to the attic and
outside
during cooling season.

John
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Posted by Logan Shaw on March 28, 2008, 11:25 pm
Bill wrote:
> Then I placed this tank next to my woodstove. Then disconnected the cold
> water going to my hot water heater and ran that to the bottom (drain)
> connection on the tank by the woodstove. Then ran a pipe going out the top
> of the tank by the woodstove to the cold water inlet of my electric hot
> water heater. (Cold into the bottom, warm out the top.)
>
> Note: My electric water heater is located on the other side of the wall next
> to my woodstove.
>
> After just a few hours, the water coming out of the top of the tank by the
> wood stove was about 70 degrees. (The water from the city going into the
> tank is 40 degrees F.) At this point the bottom of the tank felt cold and
> the top was not cold.
>
> The next morning, the entire tank was slightly warm.

Overall, I think this is a good idea that might save energy if, as
someone else has pointed out, wood is cheaper source of heat than
electricity.

There's only one thing that I'd want to verify: what kind of germs
are going to grow in water that is above 70F but below the temperature
of a regular water heater's tank? They say one reason not to turn
your water heater's thermostat too low is that the lower temperatures
encourage germs to multiply. If that's true, it seems like this
might apply to the tank next to your wood stove.

Of course, I'm not an expert in germ growth or anything. It's just
the one possible hitch that I can see, and so far nobody else has
mentioned it, so I thought I'd throw it out there.

- Logan

Posted by Bill on March 29, 2008, 10:01 am
"Logan Shaw" wrote in message
>
> There's only one thing that I'd want to verify: what kind of germs
> are going to grow in water that is above 70F but below the temperature
> of a regular water heater's tank? They say one reason not to turn
> your water heater's thermostat too low is that the lower temperatures
> encourage germs to multiply. If that's true, it seems like this
> might apply to the tank next to your wood stove.
>

The water is from the city and is chlorinated.



Posted by Logan Shaw on March 29, 2008, 9:49 pm
Bill wrote:
> "Logan Shaw" wrote in message
>> There's only one thing that I'd want to verify: what kind of germs
>> are going to grow in water that is above 70F but below the temperature
>> of a regular water heater's tank? They say one reason not to turn
>> your water heater's thermostat too low is that the lower temperatures
>> encourage germs to multiply. If that's true, it seems like this
>> might apply to the tank next to your wood stove.

> The water is from the city and is chlorinated.

All right, I did some more research. From what I could dig up, the
"growth range" for Legionella bacteria is 20C to 50C (68F to 122F)
and the "ideal growth range" is 35C to 46C (95F to 115F). That
information is from here:

http://www.relianceworldwide.com/site/fs_legionella.htm

As to whether chlorination kills it, the same site says that a
concentration of 10 mg/L will do the trick. According to what
I could find other places, chlorinated drinking water seems to
contain chlorine in a concentration of something more like
0.5 mg/L. But it may have been initially treated with a much
higher level, something on the order of 5 mg/L to 10 mg/L.

Here's a site that talks about chlorinating well water:

http://www.water-research.net/watertreatment/chlorination.htm

So, I don't know, you may be safe. If they kill the bacteria
before they send the water down the pipe to your house, there
wouldn't be any worry as long as nothing reintroduces it anywhere
in the distribution network. But whether that happens is beyond
my expertise.

- Logan

Posted by Rod Speed on March 29, 2008, 10:38 pm
> Bill wrote:
>> "Logan Shaw" wrote in message
>>> There's only one thing that I'd want to verify: what kind of germs
>>> are going to grow in water that is above 70F but below the
>>> temperature of a regular water heater's tank? They say one reason
>>> not to turn your water heater's thermostat too low is that the
>>> lower temperatures encourage germs to multiply. If that's true, it
>>> seems like this might apply to the tank next to your wood stove.
>
>> The water is from the city and is chlorinated.
>
> All right, I did some more research. From what I could dig up, the
> "growth range" for Legionella bacteria is 20C to 50C (68F to 122F)
> and the "ideal growth range" is 35C to 46C (95F to 115F). That
> information is from here:
>
> http://www.relianceworldwide.com/site/fs_legionella.htm
>
> As to whether chlorination kills it, the same site says that a
> concentration of 10 mg/L will do the trick. According to what
> I could find other places, chlorinated drinking water seems to
> contain chlorine in a concentration of something more like
> 0.5 mg/L. But it may have been initially treated with a much
> higher level, something on the order of 5 mg/L to 10 mg/L.
>
> Here's a site that talks about chlorinating well water:
>
> http://www.water-research.net/watertreatment/chlorination.htm
>
> So, I don't know, you may be safe. If they kill the bacteria
> before they send the water down the pipe to your house, there
> wouldn't be any worry as long as nothing reintroduces it anywhere
> in the distribution network. But whether that happens is beyond my expertise.

That last does happen. Which is why the recommendation on the temperature of
storage hot water systems.



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