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Unusual event H 06-20-2007
---> Re: Unusual event William Underhi...06-20-2007
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Posted by H on June 20, 2007, 10:34 pm
L1 to L2 around 80V
L1 to N - 127V
L2 to N - 11V


> Each of the two double pole breakers reads 240 volts at the breaker, but
> something less at the dryer and at the AC. What exactly is the reading
> across the two hot legs at the dryer and the AC?
>
>
>>I reread what I originally typed, and guess I sent the message too soon.
>>
>> Yes, the breakers are fine and the power in the breaker box is fine.
>>
>> The problem is at the other end of the line.
>>
>>
>>> So, you didn't lose any voltage at the breakers as you first indicated?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> Both breakers are working perfectly.
>>>>
>>>>> It sounds like you lost one pole of each double pole breaker. Just
>>>>> loosing 11 volts wouldn't stop it from working. If you lost one pole
>>>>> of each of those breakers you probably lost one leg of the main
>>>>> breaker or the entire service. In a modern breaker panel, there is
>>>>> pretty much no way to loose one leg of just two breakers
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> In my breaker box, I have two 40A breakers side by side. One is for
>>>>>> the A/C, one is for the electric dryer.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Seemingly simultaneously, both of them experienced a loss of power
>>>>>> (around 11V) on one leg. Thus, neither the dryer nor a/c work.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Can anyone imagine how this could happen, seemingly simultaneously?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> H
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>



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Posted by RBM on June 20, 2007, 10:37 pm
It's the same at the air as the dryer? Are these breakers new or existing?
are they full sized breakers or mini breakers?


> L1 to L2 around 80V
> L1 to N - 127V
> L2 to N - 11V
>
>
>> Each of the two double pole breakers reads 240 volts at the breaker, but
>> something less at the dryer and at the AC. What exactly is the reading
>> across the two hot legs at the dryer and the AC?
>>
>>
>>>I reread what I originally typed, and guess I sent the message too soon.
>>>
>>> Yes, the breakers are fine and the power in the breaker box is fine.
>>>
>>> The problem is at the other end of the line.
>>>
>>>
>>>> So, you didn't lose any voltage at the breakers as you first indicated?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Both breakers are working perfectly.
>>>>>
>>>>>> It sounds like you lost one pole of each double pole breaker. Just
>>>>>> loosing 11 volts wouldn't stop it from working. If you lost one pole
>>>>>> of each of those breakers you probably lost one leg of the main
>>>>>> breaker or the entire service. In a modern breaker panel, there is
>>>>>> pretty much no way to loose one leg of just two breakers
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In my breaker box, I have two 40A breakers side by side. One is for
>>>>>>> the A/C, one is for the electric dryer.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Seemingly simultaneously, both of them experienced a loss of power
>>>>>>> (around 11V) on one leg. Thus, neither the dryer nor a/c work.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Can anyone imagine how this could happen, seemingly simultaneously?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> H
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>



Posted by H on June 20, 2007, 10:39 pm
Same at both.

Full size breakers. Both are working perfectly. Each breaker is about 5
years old (after a heavy up).


> It's the same at the air as the dryer? Are these breakers new or existing?
> are they full sized breakers or mini breakers?
>
>
>> L1 to L2 around 80V
>> L1 to N - 127V
>> L2 to N - 11V
>>
>>
>>> Each of the two double pole breakers reads 240 volts at the breaker, but
>>> something less at the dryer and at the AC. What exactly is the reading
>>> across the two hot legs at the dryer and the AC?
>>>
>>>
>>>>I reread what I originally typed, and guess I sent the message too soon.
>>>>
>>>> Yes, the breakers are fine and the power in the breaker box is fine.
>>>>
>>>> The problem is at the other end of the line.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> So, you didn't lose any voltage at the breakers as you first
>>>>> indicated?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Both breakers are working perfectly.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It sounds like you lost one pole of each double pole breaker. Just
>>>>>>> loosing 11 volts wouldn't stop it from working. If you lost one pole
>>>>>>> of each of those breakers you probably lost one leg of the main
>>>>>>> breaker or the entire service. In a modern breaker panel, there is
>>>>>>> pretty much no way to loose one leg of just two breakers
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> In my breaker box, I have two 40A breakers side by side. One is
>>>>>>>> for the A/C, one is for the electric dryer.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Seemingly simultaneously, both of them experienced a loss of power
>>>>>>>> (around 11V) on one leg. Thus, neither the dryer nor a/c work.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Can anyone imagine how this could happen, seemingly simultaneously?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> H
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>



Posted by RBM on June 20, 2007, 10:42 pm
Are the cables that go from the breakers to the dryer and airconditioner
continuous, or are there junction boxes



> Same at both.
>
> Full size breakers. Both are working perfectly. Each breaker is about 5
> years old (after a heavy up).
>
>
>> It's the same at the air as the dryer? Are these breakers new or
>> existing? are they full sized breakers or mini breakers?
>>
>>
>>> L1 to L2 around 80V
>>> L1 to N - 127V
>>> L2 to N - 11V
>>>
>>>
>>>> Each of the two double pole breakers reads 240 volts at the breaker,
>>>> but something less at the dryer and at the AC. What exactly is the
>>>> reading across the two hot legs at the dryer and the AC?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>I reread what I originally typed, and guess I sent the message too
>>>>>soon.
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes, the breakers are fine and the power in the breaker box is fine.
>>>>>
>>>>> The problem is at the other end of the line.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> So, you didn't lose any voltage at the breakers as you first
>>>>>> indicated?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Both breakers are working perfectly.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It sounds like you lost one pole of each double pole breaker. Just
>>>>>>>> loosing 11 volts wouldn't stop it from working. If you lost one
>>>>>>>> pole of each of those breakers you probably lost one leg of the
>>>>>>>> main breaker or the entire service. In a modern breaker panel,
>>>>>>>> there is pretty much no way to loose one leg of just two breakers
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> In my breaker box, I have two 40A breakers side by side. One is
>>>>>>>>> for the A/C, one is for the electric dryer.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Seemingly simultaneously, both of them experienced a loss of power
>>>>>>>>> (around 11V) on one leg. Thus, neither the dryer nor a/c work.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Can anyone imagine how this could happen, seemingly
>>>>>>>>> simultaneously?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> H
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>



Posted by H on June 20, 2007, 10:43 pm
In theory, continuous, but they were laid 40 years ago, and I cannot see
exactly where they go.

Note that they were working perfectly until about a week ago, and
simultaneously failed.


> Are the cables that go from the breakers to the dryer and airconditioner
> continuous, or are there junction boxes
>
>
>
>> Same at both.
>>
>> Full size breakers. Both are working perfectly. Each breaker is about 5
>> years old (after a heavy up).
>>
>>
>>> It's the same at the air as the dryer? Are these breakers new or
>>> existing? are they full sized breakers or mini breakers?
>>>
>>>
>>>> L1 to L2 around 80V
>>>> L1 to N - 127V
>>>> L2 to N - 11V
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Each of the two double pole breakers reads 240 volts at the breaker,
>>>>> but something less at the dryer and at the AC. What exactly is the
>>>>> reading across the two hot legs at the dryer and the AC?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>I reread what I originally typed, and guess I sent the message too
>>>>>>soon.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes, the breakers are fine and the power in the breaker box is fine.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The problem is at the other end of the line.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So, you didn't lose any voltage at the breakers as you first
>>>>>>> indicated?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Both breakers are working perfectly.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> It sounds like you lost one pole of each double pole breaker. Just
>>>>>>>>> loosing 11 volts wouldn't stop it from working. If you lost one
>>>>>>>>> pole of each of those breakers you probably lost one leg of the
>>>>>>>>> main breaker or the entire service. In a modern breaker panel,
>>>>>>>>> there is pretty much no way to loose one leg of just two breakers
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> In my breaker box, I have two 40A breakers side by side. One is
>>>>>>>>>> for the A/C, one is for the electric dryer.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Seemingly simultaneously, both of them experienced a loss of
>>>>>>>>>> power (around 11V) on one leg. Thus, neither the dryer nor a/c
>>>>>>>>>> work.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Can anyone imagine how this could happen, seemingly
>>>>>>>>>> simultaneously?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> H
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>



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