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Unvented toilet hallerb@aol.com 06-22-2008
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Posted by hallerb@aol.com on June 22, 2008, 9:34 am
A former owner installed a toilet with no vent. it never caused big
troubles, but i had to pull it some indoor french drain can be
installed. the flange is cracked. basement toilet used mostly for
emergencies....

anyhow want to replace the sewer line, its most terracota pipe with
tree roots.

any suggestions on venting it properly?

there are those indoor vents used for smaller applications, is there a
large version for toilets?

on rare occasions the trap water would disappear.......

theres no conveient vent line available

suggestions appreciated


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Posted by Joseph Meehan on June 22, 2008, 9:53 am
If I am reading your message right you have two questions.

Vent: Vent it according to code. Are you in the US? I don't recall
the code, but based on my memory the most simple legal version if a full
size vent up through the roof. The drain requires the proper size and down
hill tilt.

Forget trying to repair that sewer pipe with root compromised clay pipe.
Just plan on a new one and this one should be plastic. Clay will allow some
moisture to get though and attract those roots that will be right back
damaging the pipe. Proper plastic will be 100% water proof and the roots
will not be attracted.

> A former owner installed a toilet with no vent. it never caused big
> troubles, but i had to pull it some indoor french drain can be
> installed. the flange is cracked. basement toilet used mostly for
> emergencies....
>
> anyhow want to replace the sewer line, its most terracota pipe with
> tree roots.
>
> any suggestions on venting it properly?
>
> there are those indoor vents used for smaller applications, is there a
> large version for toilets?
>
> on rare occasions the trap water would disappear.......
>
> theres no conveient vent line available
>
> suggestions appreciated
>


--
Joseph Meehan

Dia 's Muire duit




Posted by hallerb@aol.com on June 22, 2008, 10:59 am
wrote:
> =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD If I am reading your message right you have two quest=
ions.
>
> =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD Vent: =EF=BF=BDVent it according to code. =EF=BF=BDAr=
e you in the US? =EF=BF=BDI don't recall
> the code, but based on my memory the most simple legal version if a full
> size vent up through the roof. =EF=BF=BDThe drain requires the proper siz=
e and down
> hill tilt.
>
> =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD Forget trying to repair that sewer pipe with root com=
promised clay pipe.
> Just plan on a new one and this one should be plastic. =EF=BF=BDClay will=
allow some
> moisture to get though and attract those roots that will be right back
> damaging the pipe. =EF=BF=BDProper plastic will be 100% water proof and t=
he roots
> will not be attracted.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > A former owner installed a toilet with no vent. it never caused big
> > troubles, but i had to pull it some indoor french drain can be
> > installed. the flange is cracked. basement toilet used mostly for
> > emergencies....
>
> > anyhow want to replace the sewer line, its most terracota pipe with
> > tree roots.
>
> > any suggestions on venting it properly?
>
> > there are those indoor vents used for smaller applications, is there a
> > large version for toilets?
>
> > on rare occasions the trap water would disappear.......
>
> > theres no conveient vent line available
>
> > suggestions appreciated
>
> --
> Joseph Meehan
>
> =EF=BF=BDDia 's Muire duit- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

yeah going to replace all the underground line with PVC, to just
outside of house. then later to street. the line gets very deep
outdoors like 12 feet. having it replaced will be costly. want to do
the indoor stuff and fix up my shop. since we are getting a new
furnace and air. the basement shop is getting reconfigured

dont really want to open walls from basement to roof, its a 2 story
home, to run vent...

hope there is another way..........

Posted by on June 22, 2008, 11:15 am
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD If I am reading your message right you have two que=
stions.
>
> > =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD Vent: =EF=BF=BDVent it according to code. =EF=BF=BD=
Are you in the US? =EF=BF=BDI don't recall
> > the code, but based on my memory the most simple legal version if a ful=
l
> > size vent up through the roof. =EF=BF=BDThe drain requires the proper s=
ize and down
> > hill tilt.
>
> > =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD Forget trying to repair that sewer pipe with root c=
ompromised clay pipe.
> > Just plan on a new one and this one should be plastic. =EF=BF=BDClay wi=
ll allow some
> > moisture to get though and attract those roots that will be right back
> > damaging the pipe. =EF=BF=BDProper plastic will be 100% water proof and=
the roots
> > will not be attracted.
>
>
.
>
> > > A former owner installed a toilet with no vent. it never caused big
> > > troubles, but i had to pull it some indoor french drain can be
> > > installed. the flange is cracked. basement toilet used mostly for
> > > emergencies....
>
> > > anyhow want to replace the sewer line, its most terracota pipe with
> > > tree roots.
>
> > > any suggestions on venting it properly?
>
> > > there are those indoor vents used for smaller applications, is there =
a
> > > large version for toilets?
>
> > > on rare occasions the trap water would disappear.......
>
> > > theres no conveient vent line available
>
> > > suggestions appreciated
>
> > --
> > Joseph Meehan
>
> > =EF=BF=BDDia 's Muire duit- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> yeah going to replace all the underground line with PVC, to just
> outside of house. then later to street. the line gets very deep
> outdoors like 12 feet. having it replaced will be costly. want to do
> the indoor stuff and fix up my shop. since we are getting a new
> furnace and air. the basement shop is getting reconfigured
>
> dont really want to open walls from basement to roof, its a 2 story
> home, to run vent...
>
> hope there is another way..........- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

You probably realize this, but you don't necessarily have to open all
the walls to go from basement to roof. For example, depending on the
location, you may be able to drill a hole from the basement and attic
and only need to cut a wall opening to do the hole between 1st and 2nd
floor.

Posted by hallerb@aol.com on June 22, 2008, 11:44 am
On Jun 22, 11:15=C2=A0am, trad...@optonline.net wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Jun 22, 9:53=EF=BF=BDam, "Joseph Meehan" <sligoNoSPAM...@hotmail.com=
>
> > wrote:
>
> > > =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD If I am reading your message right you have two q=
uestions.
>
> > > =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD Vent: =EF=BF=BDVent it according to code. =EF=BF=
=BDAre you in the US? =EF=BF=BDI don't recall
> > > the code, but based on my memory the most simple legal version if a f=
ull
> > > size vent up through the roof. =EF=BF=BDThe drain requires the proper=
size and down
> > > hill tilt.
>
> > > =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD Forget trying to repair that sewer pipe with root=
compromised clay pipe.
> > > Just plan on a new one and this one should be plastic. =EF=BF=BDClay =
will allow some
> > > moisture to get though and attract those roots that will be right bac=
k
> > > damaging the pipe. =EF=BF=BDProper plastic will be 100% water proof a=
nd the roots
> > > will not be attracted.
>
>
...
>
> > > > A former owner installed a toilet with no vent. it never caused big
> > > > troubles, but i had to pull it some indoor french drain can be
> > > > installed. the flange is cracked. basement toilet used mostly for
> > > > emergencies....
>
> > > > anyhow want to replace the sewer line, its most terracota pipe with
> > > > tree roots.
>
> > > > any suggestions on venting it properly?
>
> > > > there are those indoor vents used for smaller applications, is ther=
e a
> > > > large version for toilets?
>
> > > > on rare occasions the trap water would disappear.......
>
> > > > theres no conveient vent line available
>
> > > > suggestions appreciated
>
> > > --
> > > Joseph Meehan
>
> > > =EF=BF=BDDia 's Muire duit- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > yeah going to replace all the underground line with PVC, to just
> > outside of house. then later to street. the line gets very deep
> > outdoors like 12 feet. having it replaced will be costly. want to do
> > the indoor stuff and fix up my shop. since we are getting a new
> > furnace and air. the basement shop is getting reconfigured
>
> > dont really want to open walls from basement to roof, its a 2 story
> > home, to run vent...
>
> > hope there is another way..........- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> You probably realize this, but you don't necessarily have to open all
> the walls to go from basement to roof. =C2=A0 For example, depending on t=
he
> location, you may be able to drill a hole from the basement and attic
> and only need to cut a wall opening to do the hole between 1st and 2nd
> floor.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

yeah but the walls have fireblocks and braces, plus a 4 inch pvc may
not fit inside the 2 by 4 wall cavity.......

sewer lines all 4 inch.

theres a indoor vent thats added o a stub of a sewer line, above the
water level.

wonder if they are made in 4 inch.

i have even thought about running a vent up the now abandoned furnace
flue........

given trhe chimney construction that wouldnt be easy, and my wife
talks about adding a fireplace using the old furnace flue. dont know
how practical that is. its a lined chimney

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