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Upgrading Gas Meter jbgreig 07-05-2006
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Posted by on July 5, 2006, 3:19 pm
I currently have a 200 CFH natural gas meter. I have added a generator
that uses 245 CFH at full load.

I finally got a response from my gas company today (after MANY messages
left). They said the good news is that the line from the street is
sufficient, and would not need to be replaced. However, the meter and
regulator needed to be changed. The cost? $1043!!

I argued and said this was ridiculous. I shouldn't have to pay over
$1000 to buy more gas from you. Of course, they don't care about that
(I guess they don't see the "big picture"). I can't get in touch with
anyone other than a call taker at the company. It's Centerpoint
Energy.

Has anyone else had a similar experience? I have no question that they
are upgrading to much more than I would need. But they stand firm that
that's what they "calculated" and if they budge then the could be
liable from a safety standpoint... BS.

Suggestions? Propane?


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Posted by Joseph Meehan on July 5, 2006, 3:38 pm
jbgreig@gmail.com wrote:
> I currently have a 200 CFH natural gas meter. I have added a
> generator that uses 245 CFH at full load.
>
> I finally got a response from my gas company today (after MANY
> messages left). They said the good news is that the line from the
> street is sufficient, and would not need to be replaced. However,
> the meter and regulator needed to be changed. The cost? $1043!!
>
> I argued and said this was ridiculous. I shouldn't have to pay over
> $1000 to buy more gas from you. Of course, they don't care about that
> (I guess they don't see the "big picture"). I can't get in touch with
> anyone other than a call taker at the company. It's Centerpoint
> Energy.
>
> Has anyone else had a similar experience? I have no question that
> they are upgrading to much more than I would need. But they stand
> firm that that's what they "calculated" and if they budge then the
> could be liable from a safety standpoint... BS.
>
> Suggestions? Propane?


I would guess that their regulations require them to provide X amount of
capacity, an amount that should accommodate most residential customers.
Your needs may be considered commercial and if so the regulations may
require both a different type of meter and likely allow them to charge more.

--
Joseph Meehan

Dia duit



Posted by Edwin Pawlowski on July 5, 2006, 3:42 pm

>I currently have a 200 CFH natural gas meter. I have added a generator
> that uses 245 CFH at full load.
>
> I finally got a response from my gas company today (after MANY messages
> left). They said the good news is that the line from the street is
> sufficient, and would not need to be replaced. However, the meter and
> regulator needed to be changed. The cost? $1043!!
>
> I argued and said this was ridiculous. I shouldn't have to pay over
> $1000 to buy more gas from you. Of course, they don't care about that
> (I guess they don't see the "big picture").

They do see the big picture. You want gas. They have gas. You need a
larger meter. They will charge you for it and make money from it. You get
pissed off. They still have the gas to sell to others. You still want gas
so you pay to have the meter installed.

How often will the generator run? Figure your annual consumption and how
much profit they can make from you. How long do they have to supply you to
make back the $1043? If it is a generator for power failures only, it
won't be in this century.

You should check these thing out before you buy a piece of equipment.
Sorry, but I don't see where they have any obligation to do this for you. I
think you will find the propane costs equally shocking.

FWIW, yes, I've done gas upgrades a few times at work. Nothing is free.



Posted by on July 5, 2006, 4:06 pm

Edwin Pawlowski wrote:
> >I currently have a 200 CFH natural gas meter. I have added a generator
> > that uses 245 CFH at full load.
> >
> > I finally got a response from my gas company today (after MANY messages
> > left). They said the good news is that the line from the street is
> > sufficient, and would not need to be replaced. However, the meter and
> > regulator needed to be changed. The cost? $1043!!
> >
> > I argued and said this was ridiculous. I shouldn't have to pay over
> > $1000 to buy more gas from you. Of course, they don't care about that
> > (I guess they don't see the "big picture").
>
> They do see the big picture. You want gas. They have gas. You need a
> larger meter. They will charge you for it and make money from it. You get
> pissed off. They still have the gas to sell to others. You still want gas
> so you pay to have the meter installed.
>
> How often will the generator run? Figure your annual consumption and how
> much profit they can make from you. How long do they have to supply you to
> make back the $1043? If it is a generator for power failures only, it
> won't be in this century.
>
> You should check these thing out before you buy a piece of equipment.
> Sorry, but I don't see where they have any obligation to do this for you. I
> think you will find the propane costs equally shocking.
>
> FWIW, yes, I've done gas upgrades a few times at work. Nothing is free.

Fair enough. I realize it will cost something, I guess $1043 just
seems expensive. I can't imagine that their cost for a meter is
anywhere near that. I see that new, lower capacity meters cost just
more than $100. Maybe the bigger ones are significantly more complex.

After not having a response from them for over a month prior to today,
I have come to realize that I will have to use what I currently have.
It works fine. I'll just not be able to run the furnace, fireplaces,
and central AC all at once :-)

In their infinite wisdom they calculated that I need a 690CFH meter. I
feel that 400 would be more than adequate. I currently have a 200CFH
meter and am adding 245CFH. The meter I currently have was also sized
by them. That math does not add up to me. Someone else suggested that
I don't run at full capacity. I don't. I won't go over 60% at the
most. Only needed a generator this big so I could run my 5 ton central
AC.

Thanks for the responses. Just a bad case of sticker shock!

Brad


Posted by on July 5, 2006, 4:23 pm
jbgreig@gmail.com wrote:
<snip>
> Fair enough. I realize it will cost something, I guess $1043 just
> seems expensive. I can't imagine that their cost for a meter is
> anywhere near that. I see that new, lower capacity meters cost just
> more than $100. Maybe the bigger ones are significantly more complex.

Huh, and they won't install a new meter and line dedicated to the new
equipment? THat would eb the easiest way.

> After not having a response from them for over a month prior to today,
> I have come to realize that I will have to use what I currently have.
> It works fine. I'll just not be able to run the furnace, fireplaces,
> and central AC all at once :-)

Ah, in that case yes, you should be fine.

I was toying with the idea that you could get a compressor and store up
the gas against need downstream from the meter. Unfortunately, the lowest
cost CNG compressor I could find was two grand. The only other option
otehr than living with the current limits would be to go to tanks of
propane. Of copurse if you were making that switch, you might as well
make the switch to all of your gas needs...

> In their infinite wisdom they calculated that I need a 690CFH meter. I
> feel that 400 would be more than adequate. I currently have a 200CFH
> meter and am adding 245CFH. The meter I currently have was also sized
> by them. That math does not add up to me. Someone else suggested that
> I don't run at full capacity. I don't. I won't go over 60% at the
> most. Only needed a generator this big so I could run my 5 ton central
> AC.

Sheesh, that's a big genset. How much did that cost?


John
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