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Posted by on October 1, 2007, 2:09 am
Here's a puzzler......
I put a permanent wall fan in my barn at the eaves. This is a small
motor fan, probably 1/10 to 1/4hp.at most. It's just there to vent
out the heat in the summer and/or manure odor. It makes the barn
better for animals. There is a control on the fan to turn it on at a
specified temperature (such as over 75deg). The outlet in the
adjoining feed room was the closest outlet, and is on a 20A breaker.
I needed to get this fan running this last summer when the outdoor
temp went above 90 deg. and I had a sick horse in there. I was out of
#12 romex, so I ran some #14 that I had. To speed up the job even
more, (and knowing it would have to be replaced), I did not hard wire
to the outlet, I just put a grounded plug on the end of the romex and
plugged it in to the outlet. As in all farm operations, nothing ever
gets done before some other job or chore comes along, so I have left
it the way it was. In some sense, I almost wonder if I should just
leave it, and I can unplug it during the cooler weather since it's not
needed.
My question is whether using #14 wires is up to code, when it's not
hard wired? For example, many lamps, radios, and other small
appliances have #18 or #16 cords, and they are plugged into 15 or 20 A
circuits. I'm just curious. One of these days I might find the time
to wire this properly and will have to add a switch so I can turn it
off when I want. But for now, it works and is safe at least according
to common sense, if not the code.
Alvin
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Posted by Doug Miller on October 1, 2007, 6:47 am
wrote:
>Here's a puzzler......
>
>I put a permanent wall fan in my barn at the eaves. [...] I did not hard wire
>to the outlet, I just put a grounded plug on the end of the romex and
>plugged it in to the outlet.[...]
>My question is whether using #14 wires is up to code, when it's not
>hard wired?
Yes. The Code basically stops at the receptacle. (This is an
oversimplification, but it gets the point across.)
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Regards,
Doug Miller (alphageek at milmac dot com)
It's time to throw all their damned tea in the harbor again.
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Posted by hallerb@aol.com on October 1, 2007, 7:57 am
On Oct 1, 6:47?am, spamb...@milmac.com (Doug Miller) wrote:
alvinamo...@notmail.com wrote:
> >Here's a puzzler......
>
> >I put a permanent wall fan in my barn at the eaves. [...] I did not hard wire
> >to the outlet, I just put a grounded plug on the end of the romex and
> >plugged it in to the outlet.[...]
> >My question is whether using #14 wires is up to code, when it's not
> >hard wired?
>
> Yes. The Code basically stops at the receptacle. (This is an
> oversimplification, but it gets the point across.)
>
> --
> Regards,
> Doug Miller (alphageek at milmac dot com)
>
> It's time to throw all their damned tea in the harbor again.
the fire hazard is the same,,,,,,,,,,, bard fires are nasty..
really all extension cords and plugs should be fused for safety at the
maximum current capacity of the wire and device. I am amazed that
hasnt been made a law
if you like your current setup why not add a dedicated fuse or breaker
just for this item?
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Posted by Doug Miller on October 1, 2007, 8:10 am
>On Oct 1, 6:47?am, spamb...@milmac.com (Doug Miller) wrote:
> alvinamo...@notmail.com wrote:
>> >Here's a puzzler......
>>
>> >I put a permanent wall fan in my barn at the eaves. [...] I did not hard
> wire
>> >to the outlet, I just put a grounded plug on the end of the romex and
>> >plugged it in to the outlet.[...]
>> >My question is whether using #14 wires is up to code, when it's not
>> >hard wired?
>>
>> Yes. The Code basically stops at the receptacle. (This is an
>> oversimplification, but it gets the point across.)
>>
>
>the fire hazard is the same,,,,,,,,,,, bard fires are nasty..
WHAT fire hazard?
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Regards,
Doug Miller (alphageek at milmac dot com)
It's time to throw all their damned tea in the harbor again.
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Posted by hallerb@aol.com on October 1, 2007, 8:17 am
On Oct 1, 8:10?am, spamb...@milmac.com (Doug Miller) wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> >On Oct 1, 6:47?am, spamb...@milmac.com (Doug Miller) wrote:
> > alvinamo...@notmail.com wrote:
> >> >Here's a puzzler......
>
> >> >I put a permanent wall fan in my barn at the eaves. [...] I did not hard
> > wire
> >> >to the outlet, I just put a grounded plug on the end of the romex and
> >> >plugged it in to the outlet.[...]
> >> >My question is whether using #14 wires is up to code, when it's not
> >> >hard wired?
>
> >> Yes. The Code basically stops at the receptacle. (This is an
> >> oversimplification, but it gets the point across.)
>
> >the fire hazard is the same,,,,,,,,,,, bard fires are nasty..
>
> WHAT fire hazard?
>
> --
> Regards,
> Doug Miller (alphageek at milmac dot com)
>
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any time anyone plugs a device into a circuit capable of carrying
enough current to cause overheating thats a fire hazard.
ultimately whats the difference between a 14 gauge wire on a 20 amp
breaker and a 16 gauge wire on a 15 amp breaker?
guess what no difference, both can overheat and start a fire, fact is
the 16 gauge extension cord is more likely to be a source. given their
tough life.
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