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Using filler material for a cement slab. DRM 08-06-2005
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Posted by DRM on August 6, 2005, 8:04 pm



I intend to pour a slab where my deck steps will land. The dimensions are
approximately 80"x24"x6" (LxWxD) or roughly 6-2/3 cubic feet. The ready-mix
plants in town won't take an order for anything less then 2 cubic yards, so
I'm left to mix Quikcrete in my wheelbarrow. I'm thinking mixing 20 40#
bags of Quikrete is going to be a huge chore, so I'm wondering if I can
break up an existing concrete slab (the wife decided she wanted the steps
somewhere else) and use that as filler material -- not to save money but
rather to cut down on the amount of mixing I will have to do. Is this a
stupid thing to do? Would it considerably weaken the slab? If not, what
would your filler-to-mix ratio be? Thanks for any advice.

Dale




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Posted by Brian V on August 6, 2005, 5:15 pm



>
> I intend to pour a slab where my deck steps will land. The dimensions are
> approximately 80"x24"x6" (LxWxD) or roughly 6-2/3 cubic feet. The
> ready-mix plants in town won't take an order for anything less then 2
> cubic yards, so I'm left to mix Quikcrete in my wheelbarrow. I'm thinking
> mixing 20 40# bags of Quikrete is going to be a huge chore, so I'm
> wondering if I can break up an existing concrete slab (the wife decided
> she wanted the steps somewhere else) and use that as filler material --
> not to save money but rather to cut down on the amount of mixing I will
> have to do. Is this a stupid thing to do? Would it considerably weaken
> the slab? If not, what would your filler-to-mix ratio be? Thanks for any
> advice.
>
> Dale
>
>

Why not just order the 2 yards of ready mix. They take back what you don't
use..your close to 1 yard as it is, it's simply a minimum order, they do not
require you to accept the full order, they never do. So what if you pay for
the extra yard, well worth it with the time you'll save plus all the back
breaking labor it would be to mix 20 bags!

-Brian




Posted by on August 6, 2005, 11:27 pm


wrote:

>
>I intend to pour a slab where my deck steps will land. The dimensions are
>approximately 80"x24"x6" (LxWxD) or roughly 6-2/3 cubic feet. The ready-mix
>plants in town won't take an order for anything less then 2 cubic yards, so
>I'm left to mix Quikcrete in my wheelbarrow. I'm thinking mixing 20 40#
>bags of Quikrete is going to be a huge chore, so I'm wondering if I can
>break up an existing concrete slab (the wife decided she wanted the steps
>somewhere else) and use that as filler material -- not to save money but
>rather to cut down on the amount of mixing I will have to do. Is this a
>stupid thing to do? Would it considerably weaken the slab? If not, what
>would your filler-to-mix ratio be? Thanks for any advice.
>
>Dale
>


Rent a mixer. This is only about 13-14 60 lb bags and that is trivial
with a mixer. Most will hold 2-3 bags a load.
I have a cheap mixer I bought many years ago and I will do 12 bags in
a single session with no help. 2 guys really makes it go faster. One
runs the mixer, the other places the concrete.


Posted by George E. Cawthon on August 8, 2005, 2:05 am


gfretwell@aol.com wrote:
> wrote:
>
>
>>I intend to pour a slab where my deck steps will land. The dimensions are
>>approximately 80"x24"x6" (LxWxD) or roughly 6-2/3 cubic feet. The ready-mix
>>plants in town won't take an order for anything less then 2 cubic yards, so
>>I'm left to mix Quikcrete in my wheelbarrow. I'm thinking mixing 20 40#
>>bags of Quikrete is going to be a huge chore, so I'm wondering if I can
>>break up an existing concrete slab (the wife decided she wanted the steps
>>somewhere else) and use that as filler material -- not to save money but
>>rather to cut down on the amount of mixing I will have to do. Is this a
>>stupid thing to do? Would it considerably weaken the slab? If not, what
>>would your filler-to-mix ratio be? Thanks for any advice.
>>
>>Dale
>>
>
>
>
> Rent a mixer. This is only about 13-14 60 lb bags and that is trivial
> with a mixer. Most will hold 2-3 bags a load.
> I have a cheap mixer I bought many years ago and I will do 12 bags in
> a single session with no help. 2 guys really makes it go faster. One
> runs the mixer, the other places the concrete.

A lot of the home type mixers are advertised as
1/3 yard but I've seen some that are a lot
smaller, maybe 1-1/2 cubic feet. Ours was 1/3
but I think we usually mixed a bit less than
that per batch. I remember counting the shovels of
cement and gravel mix.

My dad did the whole foundation and basement
walls,and helped with the basement floor when I
got out of the service. A lot of work .

As far as the OP's question, yes filler is a
stupid idea. A small pad is no problem as it is
only 2-3 wheelbarrow loads. Just be sure to use a
very sturdy hoe for mixing.


Posted by John Gilmer on August 7, 2005, 8:23 am



> I'm wondering if I can
> break up an existing concrete slab (the wife decided she wanted the steps
> somewhere else) and use that as filler material --

I have seen "natives" break up concrete slabs just to use the pieces as
aggregate. No reason you can't do the same. If you combine the extra
aggregate with a bag mix, you might add some additional pure Portland cement
to the mix to keep the mix workable without reducing the strength. (The
strength is mostly a function of the water/cement ratio. If you add water
to keep the mix workable and don't add extra cement you end up with a weak
mix.)

If you don't want to break up the pieces to "aggregate" size, you can get
some mortar mix and put them back together as a "rubble wall."




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