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Vapor barrier? dr_swami 05-19-2006
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Posted by Goedjn on May 19, 2006, 11:48 am
On 19 May 2006 00:52:08 -0700, dr_swami@yahoo.com wrote:

>Hi
>
>I'm renovating the basement of an old house in Victoria, BC. The
>climate here is typical Northwest. It rains a lot, but rarely does it
>get below freezing.
>
>The building code in this area says I should put vapor barrier on the
>external walls between the drywall and the insulation. This is to
>prevent in-house moisture from penetrating through the drwall and
>insulation and condensing against the cold external walls. It's the
>same building code across Canada.
>
>My carpenter says however, that this code is relevant in climates like
>Alberta where it gets to -10 and stays there for months on end, but
>that for climates like BC where it hardly ever gets below freezing it
>does more harm than good. His recommendation is that I not use vapor
>barrier on the external walls and simply drywall right over the
>insualtion. According to him, in temperate humid climates like British
>Columbia, vapor barrier seals the moisture in the walls and causes more
>wood rot and mold than without it.
>
>(He does, however, recommend putting vapor barrier up against the
>foundation (~ 2 feet) BEFORE the insulation and then drywalling. That,
>he says, is to prevent the outside ground water moisture from coming in
>through porous concrete and into the walls.)
>
>What is your guys' opinion? Is he correct? Would you vapor barrier the
>external walls between the insulation and drwall in humid climates that
>rarely get below freezing?

I'd use a spray-on close-celled foam as both insulation and vapor
barrier. You get no condensation against the sheathing because
there's no way for air to carry water there, and you get no
condensation against the vapor barrier, because the "exposed"
surface isn't cold.


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Posted by Mac Cool on May 19, 2006, 11:50 am
> Is he correct?

No. Go with the vapor barrier and ditto on the rigid insulation. You don't
want mold.
--
Mac Cool

Posted by on May 19, 2006, 1:04 pm
Thanks for everyone's response. It seems like the consensus is that I
should use vapor barrier. However, I haven't received any good
arguments for other than the reason I mentioned.

My carpenter specializes in renovating old homes. He says that he's
never taken apart a house that did not have vapor barrier and had
problems with mold, but he's taken apart many homes WITH vapor barrier
and seen lots of mold and wood rot.

I'm not sure who to believe.

Jack


Posted by marson on May 19, 2006, 2:07 pm
your carpenter has a point about never seeing mold in houses without a
vapor barrier. i hink old houses are so leaky that they are vented
naturally. but if this is a basement with concrete walls, it might be
a different story. my house is 90 years old--probably without a vapor
barrier, but someone tried to finish part of the basement some years
ago and now it's a rotted mess. it was water from the outside, i'm
pretty sure. so i'd ask him how many old basements insulated with
fiberglass he has dealt with.


Posted by on May 20, 2006, 5:09 am
So I asked a vapour barrier expert. His main job is to repair water
damaged homes. And he confirmed what my carpenter said. Best not to use
vapour barrier if you're building outside of code.

His rationale was that IF there ever is water damage, the vapour
barrier will hide it and prevent it from being noticeable on the
drywall. In the meantime the moisture will do a lot of damage to the
walls and end up costing a lot more to repair than had you noticed the
water damage on the drywall and gotten to it right away.

You learn something new. I've decided NOT to vapour my house in the
temperate climate of Victoria, BC. In colder climates, definitely use
vapour barrier.

Cheers,
Jack


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