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Posted by dadiOH on July 7, 2007, 3:15 pm
Scott Townsend wrote:
> Though isn't it true you don't really want to be drinking the water
> that has been salt softened?
No. Unless you have to restrict your sodium intake. Even then the
sodium you'd get in drinking water/coffee/etc. is probably
considerably less than you would get from a glass of V-8 or a bowl of
canned soup.
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Posted by dadiOH on July 7, 2007, 3:18 pm
Scott Townsend wrote:
> The non-salt Softener's claim they do not, here are a few links
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> https://www.waterfilter-usa.com/page.html?chapter=0&id=32
> http://www.lifesourcewater.com/water-softener-chart.html
There are lies and damn lies. I wouldn't call these either but I
*would* call them incorrect, said incorrectness being designed to sell
you something.
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Posted by Scott Townsend on July 7, 2007, 3:55 pm
So are these no-salt 'conditioners' more of a gimmick?
I know its all in what and 'how' you read things, but It just seems like
adding salt seems like a bad ideal all around. corrosion, environmental
discharge (backwash), sliminess, plants/irrigation, etc. Seems like there
should be a better way?
Thanks,
> Scott Townsend wrote:
>> The non-salt Softener's claim they do not, here are a few links
>>
>> https://www.waterfilter-usa.com/page.html?chapter=0&id=32
>> http://www.lifesourcewater.com/water-softener-chart.html
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> There are lies and damn lies. I wouldn't call these either but I
> *would* call them incorrect, said incorrectness being designed to sell
> you something.
>
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> LP/cassette and tips & tricks on this and that.
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Posted by M Q on July 7, 2007, 11:18 pm
Scott Townsend wrote:
> The non-salt Softener's claim they do not, here are a few links
>
> https://www.waterfilter-usa.com/page.html?chapter=0&id=32
> http://www.lifesourcewater.com/water-softener-chart.html
>
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This stuff is techno babble:
"A lime/scale elimination product that doesn't add or remove anything from
your water."
It looks like a total scam to me.
From:
http://www.bobvila.com/wwwboard/messages/260140.html
"One more bit of advice. The people that are buying or have bought magnets,
electrolytic, or any other goofy "salt-free" system has just become the proud
owner of a $4000 carbon filter. You could just buy a 75.00 whole house carbon
filter at lowes. My least favorite is the lifesource water system. To those that
own this: You have a carbon filter.It is a Fleck5600 valve with a tank full of
carbon. There is also a "beotron energy cell" inside. It is worth it just to
take this thing out, take it to your salesperson, and beg him to explain how
this could do anything to the hardness in the water. The Beotron energy cell is
a stick of thick pvc, capped at both ends, and filled with sand and one small
copper coil.It is really funny. These companies train their sales people to
actually believe this. This is also where the wqa,Nsf, and others are rolling
over for money. The lifesource people would have you believe this system is
approved, yet it is only approved as a taste and odor reduction system;A Carbon
Filter."
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Posted by on July 8, 2007, 1:42 am
To "soften" water is to remove calcium (among other things like iron)
from the water and that is commonly done by one of two methods.
One method is ion exchange as done by a water softener. A water
softener exchanges either sodium ions (if using NaCl) or potassium
ions (if using KCl as a SALT SUBSTITUTE) for calcium (and other) ions
in the hard water. That's it, no ifs, no ands, no buts, and no sales
double talk. Simple chemistry and physics. Softening water is not
black magic. It is physics and chemistry with a side of mechanics. No
matter how hard sales people try (and want) to they can not violate
the laws of physics or change the nature of chemical actions and
reactions.
The other is by a filter, but no simple filter will remove calcium.
You would need a reverse osmosis unit large enough to service your
entire house. You would not want to pay for that big an RO nor pay for
the service and routine maintainence it would require and RO water
would be very agressive in your plumbing and it would waste a lot of
water.
NO magnet(ic) gizmo or electronic gizmo or "conditioner" or carbon
filter will soften water but people waste their money on them
EVERYDAY.
Check out this URL for one story <a href="http://www.nmsr.org/
magnetic.htm"> http://www.nmsr.org/magnetic.htm </a> and there are
many more on the net if you Google.
Pick the right softener (not a box store brand), size it properly for
your water conditions and usage and the SFR of your plumbing, and get
a competent install and you should go 15-20 years.
The MOST IMPORTANT thing is that water treatment begins with a
complete water test so you know what needs to be treated or filtered
out to get the quality water you want.
If you want to know more about that "slimy feeling" that comes with
soft water go here...
http://www.madsci.org/posts/archives/jul2001/996090332.Ch.r.html
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