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Water, not just fogging, in Thermopane Windows. What2Do?? terry@terryking.us 06-18-2006
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Posted by terry@terryking.us on June 18, 2006, 9:33 am
The good news is I got 9 older aluminum frame double-hung windows to go
in the barn I just built (garage, workshop etc).... Free!

The Bad News is that they were lying outside, flat on their backs, for
a year, and most have water INSIDE the thermopane windows. Many have
dripping, moving water, a couple are just fogged.

Has anyone tackled windows this bad???

These are the type that have an obvious gasket around the edges, and
aluminum spacers about 1/4 inch thick.

I know I'll have to force dry air thru them somehow... So there seems
to be 2 questions:

1. How to access the inside area:
-- Drill thru side space after removing from frame (or thru frame??)
???
-- Drill thru the GLASS with appropriate drill.

I saw some Miracle System that has (is looking for) dealers etc, that
appears to put a patch of some kind in the corner of the window, I
assume ?? they drill holes....

2. Getting dry air:
-- Buy tank of dry nitrogen or argon ?? Regulator etc.... Maybe I
wanted a MIG welder??
-- Make a container for Silica Gel, and recycle it occasionally.
-- Make a air dryer with an old refrigerator?? Hey, Shop Beer goes
there too...

There's (almost) always an upside to every dumb thing that happens....

Any pointers, advice appreciated...

Regards, Terry King ...On The Mediterranean in Carthage
(Back ...In The Barn In Vermont for the Summer)


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Posted by Joseph Meehan on June 18, 2006, 10:21 am
terry@terryking.us wrote:
> The good news is I got 9 older aluminum frame double-hung windows to
> go in the barn I just built (garage, workshop etc).... Free!
>
> The Bad News is that they were lying outside, flat on their backs, for
> a year, and most have water INSIDE the thermopane windows. Many have
> dripping, moving water, a couple are just fogged.
>
> Has anyone tackled windows this bad???
>
> These are the type that have an obvious gasket around the edges, and
> aluminum spacers about 1/4 inch thick.
>
> I know I'll have to force dry air thru them somehow... So there seems
> to be 2 questions:
>
> 1. How to access the inside area:
> -- Drill thru side space after removing from frame (or thru frame??)
> ???
> -- Drill thru the GLASS with appropriate drill.
>
> I saw some Miracle System that has (is looking for) dealers etc, that
> appears to put a patch of some kind in the corner of the window, I
> assume ?? they drill holes....
>
> 2. Getting dry air:
> -- Buy tank of dry nitrogen or argon ?? Regulator etc.... Maybe I
> wanted a MIG welder??
> -- Make a container for Silica Gel, and recycle it occasionally.
> -- Make a air dryer with an old refrigerator?? Hey, Shop Beer goes
> there too...
>
> There's (almost) always an upside to every dumb thing that happens....
>
> Any pointers, advice appreciated...
>
> Regards, Terry King ...On The Mediterranean in Carthage
> (Back ...In The Barn In Vermont for the Summer)

I don't believe there is any reasonable way to salvage theromopane
windows once the seal have been broken. I suggest new glass.

BTW your storage methods need to be improved. :-)

--
Joseph Meehan

Dia duit



Posted by Abe on June 18, 2006, 1:55 pm
>I don't believe there is any reasonable way to salvage theromopane
>windows once the seal have been broken. I suggest new glass.
Correct. The seals have been broken. There is no way to salvage them.
You need new sealed glass units for the frames.


Posted by ameijers on June 18, 2006, 5:42 pm

> The good news is I got 9 older aluminum frame double-hung windows to go
> in the barn I just built (garage, workshop etc).... Free!
>
> The Bad News is that they were lying outside, flat on their backs, for
> a year, and most have water INSIDE the thermopane windows. Many have
> dripping, moving water, a couple are just fogged.
>
Well, that is probably why they were free. Replacement glass panels will
likely cost almost as much as new thermopane windows, unless they are a
stock size.

Seeing as how this is a barn, do you really care if they are full
double-pane insulating quality, or if they are a little foggy? You could
lean them upright someplace in direct sun, and drill through the seal on the
low end to drain the water. In a few days they would probably look okay
enough for barn use. Double panes will provide some extra insulation, albeit
not as much as 'dry air' filled ones. If you don't mind the fog in damp
weather, good enough.

Now if you want them pretty, yes, you are looking at getting fresh glass.
Usually best to take the frames into the glass shop and have them change
them- even experts screw up the installs at times, and if you haven't done
it before, you will likely hose up a couple doing it yourself.

aem sends...



Posted by Joseph Meehan on June 18, 2006, 6:26 pm
ameijers wrote:
>> The good news is I got 9 older aluminum frame double-hung windows to
>> go in the barn I just built (garage, workshop etc).... Free!
>>
>> The Bad News is that they were lying outside, flat on their backs,
>> for a year, and most have water INSIDE the thermopane windows. Many
>> have dripping, moving water, a couple are just fogged.
>>
> Well, that is probably why they were free. Replacement glass panels
> will likely cost almost as much as new thermopane windows, unless
> they are a stock size.

I don't know about where you are, but my local supplier does custom work
very reasonably.


--
Joseph Meehan

Dia duit



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