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Web Enabled Time/Temp/Humidity and I/O Controller Robert Green 10-30-2009
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Posted by Robert Green on October 31, 2009, 10:38 am


> I just placed an order through Amazon and have recieved an email that it
has
> shipped. Looking forward to playing with this device.
> Best,
> Christopher

Me too! At $35 apiece, it's quite a deal. Especially considering the cost
and complexity of other web-smart home control devices out there that run in
the multi-hundred dollar range.

So far, I've got three different projects in mind for the two units I have:

1) Whole house power use tracking,
2) home monitoring and remote reporting (i.e. emailing my cellphone if the
the fridge blows a fuse or if the GFCI trips) and
3) a way to help my hard-of-hearing friend hear smoke alarms and doorbells
and phones ringing since my first attempt at a solution didn't work as well
as I had hoped.

As some in AHR might recall, after discovering my elderly friend couldn't
hear the typical high-pitched smoke alarm, I got him a one of the few low
frequency smoke alarms out on the market. What I didn't discover until
recently was that he spends most of his time wearing full cup, noise
cancelling headphones because he has such a hard time hearing the TV if
there's any background noise!!!!

With the web-control unit I am hoping to tie into the alarm sounder so that
if it goes off, the device will send me and others an email and will also
activate a "bass shaker" or some other sort of vibrational alert that I'll
put under his easy chair, where he spends most of his time recovering from
two TKRs (total knee replacements). I may also investigate creating a
little box to plug in between the headphones and his TV headphone jack that
will switch off the program sound track and switch in an alarm sound when
the device detects the smoke alarm, the doorbell or the phone has sounded.

I didn't order the chassis, partly because it costs almost half of what the
unit does! So I've been looking around for something to mount the board in.
I've found it fits perfectly in the clear plastic flip-top cases I've been
storing 3.5" floppies in, thus saving $15 for the case they sell (but
*don't* list on the Amazon site for some odd reason). As an added bonus,
I've cleaned out all the old floppies in my collection like Windows 3.1 and
Microsoft flight simulator. (-" Out with the old junk, in with the new!

I also discovered that the 16 pin IDC (insulation displacement connector)
the unit uses to access its analog and other ports is exactly the same size
as that long forgotten connector used to connect joystick ports to PC
motherboards (long before USB came along). It's so nice when my junk bin
yields up just what I need! It validates my packrat way of life. I
suggested to the vendor that they might want to make such additional parts
(and a suitable power supply) available for purchase directly from them,
rather then sending them off to Digikey or Mouser for the missing puzzle
piece.

I've unfortunately had to postpone my futzing around with the unit until the
leaves covering the front and back lawns disappear. (-: More to come! -
Eventually.

--
Bobby G.




Posted by Marc_F_Hult on November 8, 2009, 11:31 pm


On Sat, 31 Oct 2009 10:38:53 -0400, "Robert Green"

>I didn't order the chassis, partly because it costs almost half of what the
>unit does! So I've been looking around for something to mount the board in.
>I've found it fits perfectly in the clear plastic flip-top cases I've been
>storing 3.5" floppies in, thus saving $15 for the case they sell (but
>*don't* list on the Amazon site for some odd reason).

Time permitting, I'll post a picture of the WebControl (80mm x 85mm x18mm)
in its native steel case (100mm x 100mm x 35mm) stacked on a comparably sized
Netgear GS-105 hub (95 x 100mm x 25mm) and Comtrol Device-Master AIR (92mm x
87mm x 48mm) which provides WI-FI and RS-xxx in a 100mm x 100mm footprint.
This combo allows you to communicate with to a computer, two WebControls and
a serial device such as Peter Anderson's data acquisition modules
www.PHAnderson.com) via WI-FI.

(This matches almost exactly the footprint of a Pico-ITX (100mm x 72mm) with
the inevitable I/O connectors. These PC's are still too pricey,
http://www.logicsupply.com/products/px5000eg but they'll get 'there'
eventually. )

... Marc
Marc_F_Hult
www.ECOntrol.org

Posted by Robert Green on October 31, 2009, 3:18 pm


> > They want $49.84 plus about $10 for UPS in US.
> It's $35 on Amazon. See
http://www.amazon.com/Webcontrol-Universal-Temperature-Humidity-Controller/dp/B001H4JXLU/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1256934741&sr=8-1
> Best,
> Christopher

Thanks, Chris. I edited and re-edited the message so many times that I
somehow lost the Amazon URL. D'oh!

--
Bobby G.




Posted by Robert Green on November 2, 2009, 7:31 am


> > Wow, it does look really good - for lots of things. You never did say
the
> > price nor does their web siet. What is the single unit price?
http://cgi.ebay.com/WebControl-timer-temperature-humidity-I-O-controller_W0QQitemZ270285035585QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item3eee3e5841
> They want $49.84 plus about $10 for UPS in US.
> Interesting.
> Now to convince the wife that we need one...
> Jim

Here's a reason, they're only $34.95 at Amazon and if you select supersaver
shipping, the shipping is FREE (although Amazon somehow got me by charging
$6 shipping on a $.99 cable - still not sure how that happened). I wouldn't
even mention it to the wife. Mine said: "The only device I will gladly
approve purchase of is a device that prevents you from buying any more
devices!"

There has to be *some* problem around your home, Jim, that you can be
automate using one of these. I noticed on their website some guy has
already figured out how to use his Iphone to communicate with his house.
While I have a number of other microcontrollers, this one's the only one
that's web-aware out of the box and that's a big plus in this day and age.
It's hard to believe how much the net has changed in 10 years. Twenty years
ago "net surfing" meant 2400/9600BPS modems, multi-line phone BBB's, DOS,
SysOps and FidoNet.

(I *still* can't believe I left the Amazon URL out of the first post.)

<http://www.amazon.com/Webcontrol-Universal-Temperature-Humidity-Controller/
dp/B001H4JXLU>

--
Bobby G.




Posted by in2dadark on November 1, 2009, 2:23 pm


> There no doubt that houses are getting "smarter" all the time. =A0More an=
d
> more new homes are coming with goodies like alarm systems, intelligent
> controls for HVAC, pools and sprinklers and even devices to monitor power
> consumption in real time.
> I've seen a lot of very expensive and complex systems to manage the
> functions of "smart homes" but I've never come across something as small,
> powerful and inexpensive as this unit:
> http://www.cainetworks.com/products/webcontrol/
> I've cross-posted this in comp.home.automation and alt.home.repair becaus=
e
> I've seen a lot of posts about monitoring house conditions like temperatu=
re
> remotely in both groups. =A0I was first alerted to the product in a =A0th=
read
> about USB home control in CHA. =A0In that thread:
> _USB module for monitoring multiple on/off switches_
> http://groups.google.com/group/comp.home.automation/browse_thread/thr...
> Marc Hult recommended this device instead as a much more practical way to
> "communicate" with your house remotely than USB devices connected to a PC=
.
> It took me a while to find the secret URL and I don't give cainetworks an=
A+
> for website design - this product doesn't even show up on their "Product
> List." =A0They seem to be a server load balancing company and I would gue=
ss
> they built this thing for themselves as a service tool and then began to
> realize it had other applications.
> I have no interest in the company, other than as a customer and it's too
> early to tell whether I am a happy customer or not!
> WebControl interests me for a number of reasons: =A0it can automagically =
send
> emails to a PC or a cell phone when a looked-for condition occurs, assumi=
ng
> you've got a constant internet connection. =A0This condition could be a
> furnace failure, an out-of-bounds temperature, water on the floor or any
> number of other events that can sensed electronically.
> It's got plenty of inputs - it can accommodate a Honeywell humidity senso=
r,
> up to eight Maxim DS1822 /DS18B20 12bit 1 wire temperature sensors, eight
> digital inputs, three analog inputs and 20 different timers. =A0It seems =
from
> my Google searches that these are popular with cigar lovers (to keep thei=
r
> treasures at constant temps and humidity) and in-home horticulturists
> growing various "herbs."
> My first project will be a sensing project, too: =A0I'm hoping to use it =
to
> continually monitor how much power the whole house uses in real-time. =A0=
I've
> read about a number of test projects using "smart meters" and they all
> pretty much say the same thing: =A0People who know how much power they ar=
e
> using at any one moment will end up reducing their average monthly
> consumption.
> I've got some tiny current sensors that I will attach to the main power
> feeds to the circuit panel, hopefully so artfully that an inspector might
> never notice they're there. =A0(Yes, I know the evils of mixing high and =
low
> voltage gear and I don't recommend anyone but an insane person with total
> contempt for life and the law even contemplate copying my actions!)
> These tiny (1/4" sq.) Hall-Effect (HE) sensors generate a small electric
> current proportional (well, proportional enough for me) to the current
> flowing into the house from the main feeders. =A0This unit should enable =
me to
> see the current current use from any PC on the home network. =A0I should =
even
> be able to rig up an LED bargraph display that shows the real-time power
> consumption of the house with another $2 worth of parts.
> The unit has three 3 1023 bit analog inputs (0-10v) that should be able t=
o
> accurately measure the HE sensor voltage level and take an action (light =
a
> bargraph LED, ring a chime, etc) when the voltage becomes greater than a
> pre-determined level. =A0Perhaps the hardest part is going to be accurate=
ly
> matching the output level of the sensor to the actual home electrical pow=
er
> consumed. =A0If I can't get a helper with a walkie talkie, =A0I can tempo=
rarily
> mount a wireless CCTV cam outside pointing at the electric meter so I can
> tabulate meter readings and how they correspond to the sensor output as I
> add more and more loads. =A0I will start with all the breakers off, but w=
ith
> lights, etc. left on so that as I flip each breaker on, the load increase=
s.
> That way I should have a scale that gives me a pretty good idea of the ju=
ice
> flowing through the circuit panel.
> I'm going to make notes as I go along, paying particular attention to the
> level of technical skill required to implement it. =A0I'm afraid it's goi=
ng to
> be high enough to make it a techie-only solution. =A0But looking through =
the
> manual
> http://www.cainetworks.com/manuals/webcontrol/WebControlUserGuide2-03...
> gives me at least a little hope that this unit may be simple enough that
> with a little advice, a fairly low-tech user could implement a simple sys=
tem
> that could, for example, send them an email if their freezer or refrigera=
tor
> temperature rises out of the food safety zone. =A0Ironically, that's why =
I
> ordered the board (my fridge tripped the GFCI) but once I read the manual
> and the specs, I realized it would probably make a good and cheap whole
> house power monitor.
> Previously, devices like this cost close to $200, so to my mind it's a gr=
eat
> bargain.
> The part that I haven't quite figured out about whole house power monitor=
ing
> is this: =A0What's the best way to notify residents that the house is bur=
ning
> kilowatts without being so =A0intrusive that they'll just shut it off? =
=A0There
> has to be some sort of override, too, because there will be some days in =
the
> dead of a very cold winter that the consumption will peak.
> --
> Bobby G.

Anyway I can use it to monitor a vacation home 1200 miles away? I'm
not sure what this unit does.

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