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Web Enabled Time/Temp/Humidity and I/O Controller Robert Green 10-30-2009
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Posted by petem on November 6, 2009, 9:25 am




de discussion :
0b6bd17e-a9e2-4cbd-9498-632cca6a4609@s31g2000yqs.googlegroups.com...
>> > The problem is WOL still requires you to have at least one computer
>> > already powered up, then that computer can receive the WOL
>> No, it doesn't. A router that can send the WOL packet can wake a PC
>> listening for it. No added PC necessary. Just that the PC you intend to
>> wake up needs to have WOL built into it.
>> Alternatively you could use a router that has a serial port and use that
>> to
>> control a relay that will listen to RS232. Bit more of a
>> jump-through-hoops
>> sort of solution though.
>> -Bill Kearney
> If my PC has no power applied to it how can it possibly "listen" to
> anything. I want it completely powered off, not on standby.

An ATX pc is never really off..

In fact part of the MB is still under power..

how do you think the pc turn on just by the press of a small momentary
switch...

you can even see that the MB is under power by looking at inside the box
while the system is supposed to be off. you will see at least one led on..




Posted by Josepi on November 6, 2009, 10:05 am


I think that is his point. Reread his post.

> An ATX pc is never really off..
> In fact part of the MB is still under power..
> how do you think the pc turn on just by the press of a small momentary
> switch...
> you can even see that the MB is under power by looking at inside the box
> while the system is supposed to be off. you will see at least one led on..
> de discussion :
>> If my PC has no power applied to it how can it possibly "listen" to
>> anything. I want it completely powered off, not on standby.



Posted by Joe Pfeiffer on November 6, 2009, 10:10 am



> groupe de discussion :
> 0b6bd17e-a9e2-4cbd-9498-632cca6a4609@s31g2000yqs.googlegroups.com...
>>> > The problem is WOL still requires you to have at least one computer
>>> > already powered up, then that computer can receive the WOL
>>> No, it doesn't. A router that can send the WOL packet can wake a PC
>>> listening for it. No added PC necessary. Just that the PC you intend to
>>> wake up needs to have WOL built into it.
>>> Alternatively you could use a router that has a serial port and use
>>> that to
>>> control a relay that will listen to RS232. Bit more of a
>>> jump-through-hoops
>>> sort of solution though.
>>> -Bill Kearney
>> If my PC has no power applied to it how can it possibly "listen" to
>> anything. I want it completely powered off, not on standby.
> An ATX pc is never really off..
> In fact part of the MB is still under power..
> how do you think the pc turn on just by the press of a small momentary
> switch...

Well, you're right that an ATX PC is never truly off. But a circuit
that would go truly off, but could power up with a switch like ATX,
wouldn't be hard.

> you can even see that the MB is under power by looking at inside the
> box while the system is supposed to be off. you will see at least one
> led on..

And, as I understand it, an ATX computer that is "off" can wake-on-lan.
I've got no idea how much power an ATX machine draws when "off".

But they also have a switch on the back which is "truly off". What the
OP is looking for would end up being the equivalent of hitting that
switch.
--
As we enjoy great advantages from the inventions of others, we should
be glad of an opportunity to serve others by any invention of ours;
and this we should do freely and generously. (Benjamin Franklin)

Posted by Josepi on November 6, 2009, 10:17 am


Then the OP requires another circuit, or computer that is on standby to "hit
that switch" to turn it back on again. The point become moot.

A computer in sleep mode requires very little power with the modern
efficient switching power supplies and no mechanical parts turning. I would
have to measure one to get actual figures.

> And, as I understand it, an ATX computer that is "off" can wake-on-lan.
> I've got no idea how much power an ATX machine draws when "off".
> But they also have a switch on the back which is "truly off". What the
> OP is looking for would end up being the equivalent of hitting that
> switch.



Posted by Dave Houston on November 6, 2009, 11:41 am


A Dell Dimension 2400 reads 0 watts on my Kill A Watt and 2VA with PF=0.6.
Under power it uses 33-36W.

Anyone concerned about the standby power has succumbed to the mumbo-jumbo
disinformation from nitwits like Bass & Hult. According to the DOE, 9% of
residential electricity went for lighting (a couple of years back).
Residential use is about 1/3 of total use so that means residential lighting
uses about 3% of the total. In the USA, coal accounts for about 50% of that.
So the reduction in mercury in the atmosphere is minimal from switching to
CFLs while the danger of mercury in your kid's bedroom has increased
enormously. The reduction in carbon dioxide from switching to CFLs is little
more than a rounding error - it's not likely to keep the Maldives afloat.

Recent figures show TVs now use 8-9% of residential electricity as a result
of the proliferation of big, flat-screen TVs. So all those folks who
installed CFLs have been on a fool's errand - subsidizing the carbon budget
those who have bought new TVs. Of course, Wall Mart made money on both the
CFLs and the TVs.


er in sleep mode requires very little power with the modern
>efficient switching power supplies and no mechanical parts turning. I would
>have to measure one to get actual figures.


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