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Weight of a railroad tie? Percival P. Cassidy 04-27-2008
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Posted by SteveB on April 28, 2008, 6:09 pm


>> How much does a railroad tie weigh? We are thinking of using some for a
>> landscaping project but are wondering how difficult they might be to
>> handle.
>>
>> Perce

It varies with the wood. Some were made intentionally for railroad use, and
some were made intentionally for landscape design.

The ones on the railroads I would estimate at close to 200# each, and
landscapers at up to half that weight.

Steve



Posted by dpb on April 28, 2008, 4:25 pm
SteveB wrote:
>>> How much does a railroad tie weigh? We are thinking of using some for a
>>> landscaping project but are wondering how difficult they might be to
>>> handle.
>>>
>>> Perce
>
> It varies with the wood. Some were made intentionally for railroad use, and
> some were made intentionally for landscape design.
>
> The ones on the railroads I would estimate at close to 200# each, and
> landscapers at up to half that weight.

But even for those which are actual r-r ties they can be different.
There are two groups in the batch I have, both of which are used ties
("used" as in having been rail ties)--one is white oak, the others are
yellow pine. Needless to say, there's a difference in average weight
between the two groups owing to the density difference of the two wood
species. Within that, there are still pine ones that weigh more than
some of the lighter oak ones.

When in TN, I spent quite some time at a small one-man sawmill in order
to get good deal from the old codger on hardwood that came in hit-n-miss
where his prime business was ties for the N&W or mine timbers. These
were mostly oak w/ black locust also used when it was brought in by the
loggers. OTOH, farther south and west where there were few if any
hardwoods, SYP was common and in the west firs and other coniferous
were/are the most likely to be found.

--

Posted by SteveB on April 28, 2008, 8:52 pm

> SteveB wrote:
>>>> How much does a railroad tie weigh? We are thinking of using some for a
>>>> landscaping project but are wondering how difficult they might be to
>>>> handle.
>>>>
>>>> Perce
>>
>> It varies with the wood. Some were made intentionally for railroad use,
>> and some were made intentionally for landscape design.
>>
>> The ones on the railroads I would estimate at close to 200# each, and
>> landscapers at up to half that weight.
>
> But even for those which are actual r-r ties they can be different. There
> are two groups in the batch I have, both of which are used ties ("used" as
> in having been rail ties)--one is white oak, the others are yellow pine.
> Needless to say, there's a difference in average weight between the two
> groups owing to the density difference of the two wood species. Within
> that, there are still pine ones that weigh more than some of the lighter
> oak ones.
>
> When in TN, I spent quite some time at a small one-man sawmill in order to
> get good deal from the old codger on hardwood that came in hit-n-miss
> where his prime business was ties for the N&W or mine timbers. These were
> mostly oak w/ black locust also used when it was brought in by the
> loggers. OTOH, farther south and west where there were few if any
> hardwoods, SYP was common and in the west firs and other coniferous
> were/are the most likely to be found.

Yes. IOW, in a lot of places, they used what they had. This was
particularly true on the first coast to coast railroad. I would be
interested in the exact number of different tree species used for those.

In railroad ties, to a real old railroad person, I'm sure that there would
be a list starting from the best to the worst, yet sometimes they used the
worst for lots of reasons. It was close, cheap, etc.

And wouldn't gauge (width) of the wheels dictate the lengths of the ties?

Steve



Posted by dpb on April 28, 2008, 7:49 pm
SteveB wrote:
...
> Yes. IOW, in a lot of places, they used what they had. This was
> particularly true on the first coast to coast railroad. I would be
> interested in the exact number of different tree species used for those.

I suspect there's no way to know and probably wasn't known at the time,
even.

> In railroad ties, to a real old railroad person, I'm sure that there would
> be a list starting from the best to the worst, yet sometimes they used the
> worst for lots of reasons. It was close, cheap, etc.
>
> And wouldn't gauge (width) of the wheels dictate the lengths of the ties?

For standard line ties, of course. There are a multitude of other
lengths as well for special purposes such as switchpoints, etc., of
course. A standard rail tie these days is nominal 8' 6" (or at least
was when I was sawyering and are what the ones I have are, which are
roughly 30-yr of age now, being left over from the truckload we bought
when first built the lots).

Now, unfortunately, often the railroads use the big rippers that go down
the center of the track and split them in two and simultaneously roll
the tie and rail to each side of the roadbed before laying new seamless
rail--consequently used ties the traditional way of buying them from the
railroad and going and picking them up along the right-of-way where they
were being replace is getting pretty hard to come by here. My pile is
down to only a couple dozen so I've been keeping my eyes open but
nothing has shown up yet...

--


Posted by SteveB on April 29, 2008, 1:56 am


> Now, unfortunately, often the railroads use the big rippers that go down
> the center of the track and split them in two and simultaneously roll the
> tie and rail to each side of the roadbed before laying new seamless
> rail--consequently used ties the traditional way of buying them from the
> railroad and going and picking them up along the right-of-way where they
> were being replace is getting pretty hard to come by here. My pile is
> down to only a couple dozen so I've been keeping my eyes open but nothing
> has shown up yet...


In my part of the country, you can buy some really old ones with a Wanted ad
in the local Quick Quarter or on the AM Tradio station. And sometimes
remarkably reasonable.

Steve in Utah, where they found a new use for sheep
.................................... wool .........



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