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Well Water Problem Gre0145 04-17-2008
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Posted by =?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Blattus_Slaf on April 18, 2008, 11:57 pm
Gre0145 wrote:
>> What about rust? My Dad mentioned it may be rust from the pipes and
>> replacing would solve thisproblem. Is there anywhere you can take thewaterto
be tested to find out exactly what the debris is?
>>
>> The only cheapwatertesting is for bacterial contamination.
>>
>> I'm sure there are labs around your area that will test for anything you
>> want. Don't be surprised if they want over $100 up front.
>>
>> Since the OP has "stuff" in the filters, the first thing should be to get a
>> magnifier and LOOK at the stuff. Is it sand or "mud?" Is it plastic or
>> metal? Is it "sludge?" Indeed, is it rust?
>>
>> If nature has pulled a fast one and the badwateris "natural" he will have
>> to call in folks to either drill a deeperwellor treat the now badwateror
>> both.
>>
>> But the odds are good that if up to now he had goodwaterthe odds are that
>> something wore out.
>>
>> If (as is quite likely) he is seeing ground up internal pump parts, he
>> really should bit the bullet and get the pump pulled up.
>>
>> If you call the guys with the truck and experience on an emergency basis and
>> want thewaterback on ASAP, you will have to buy whatever pump they happen
>> to stock. That's OK for most and that was OK with us. But you might want
>> something different like a variable speed pump that tends to keep your
>> internalwaterpressure nearly constant rathern than the 30-50 psi swing
>> with a regular on/off pump pressure switch. My old pump was your typical 3
>> wire (plus ground) model with a "control box" above ground. The control
>> box contains a starting relay and capacitor. The replacement pump only
>> uses 2 wires and all the starting stuff was built into the pump. So far
>> so good. It does seem to make a little more "buzz" noise than the old
>> pump. It's amazing that the noise can come up 200' ofwellpipe and
>> another 50' to the house.
>>
>> ** Posted fromhttp://www.teranews.com**
>
> I used a clear glass and filled it up using our shower head. There was
> more coming from the shower head than anywhere else. Weird. It's not
> mud or sand. It's fine, fiber like particles. The water is crystal
> clear. After letting the cup sit about 1 hour the bottom was covered.
> Not deep but enough to cover it. Again, the particles are very fine,
> long (about 4 or 5 mm). Looks like fiber of some sort.

Like the other guy said, your impeller is probably grinding itself up.
How is the run time to pressure shut off? Getting longer? Soon you'll
need a long straw to get a drink.



--
Blattus Slafaly ? 3 :) 7/8

Posted by Boden on April 20, 2008, 12:46 am
John Gilmer wrote:
> What about rust? My Dad mentioned it may be rust from the pipes and
> replacing would solve this problem. Is there anywhere you can take the
> water to be tested to find out exactly what the debris is?
>
> The only cheap water testing is for bacterial contamination.
>
> I'm sure there are labs around your area that will test for anything you
> want. Don't be surprised if they want over $100 up front.
>
> Since the OP has "stuff" in the filters, the first thing should be to get a
> magnifier and LOOK at the stuff. Is it sand or "mud?" Is it plastic or
> metal? Is it "sludge?" Indeed, is it rust?
>
> If nature has pulled a fast one and the bad water is "natural" he will have
> to call in folks to either drill a deeper well or treat the now bad water or
> both.
>
> But the odds are good that if up to now he had good water the odds are that
> something wore out.
>
> If (as is quite likely) he is seeing ground up internal pump parts, he
> really should bit the bullet and get the pump pulled up.
>
> If you call the guys with the truck and experience on an emergency basis and
> want the water back on ASAP, you will have to buy whatever pump they happen
> to stock. That's OK for most and that was OK with us. But you might want
> something different like a variable speed pump that tends to keep your
> internal water pressure nearly constant rathern than the 30-50 psi swing
> with a regular on/off pump pressure switch. My old pump was your typical 3
> wire (plus ground) model with a "control box" above ground. The control
> box contains a starting relay and capacitor. The replacement pump only
> uses 2 wires and all the starting stuff was built into the pump. So far
> so good. It does seem to make a little more "buzz" noise than the old
> pump. It's amazing that the noise can come up 200' of well pipe and
> another 50' to the house.
>
>
> ** Posted from http://www.teranews.com **
I have water testing done by Aqua America
http://www.aquaamerica.com
If they operate in your area call them and see about testing for what
you need. They'll mail you a sample collection bottle and instructions.
I take my samples in myself nd talk with the chemist (not lab tech)
and we both know what and why before any tests are run. I have
confidence in them (I'm a chemist.)

They have helped me identify some difficult problems in a medical
facility that I watch over.

Also,
I've never spent $100 there for a single set of tests.

Boden

Posted by on April 18, 2008, 3:57 pm

>Our pump was about 30 years old when it failed. It cost about $1,500 to
>pull it out and replace it. The first sign of failure was "crap" that
>clogged up filters. Just before it failed the water has some oil in it.
>
>You don't want to wait for a complete failure and you don't want to
>contaminate your plumbing with the oil.problem?

Thirty year old oil filled motor used for a well?

PCB's ?.......Did they use to use PCB's in well pumps?
My guess is they did. Way back when PCB's were not
recognized as being dangerous it was a common oil
to cool and lubricate motors.

I wonder how many wells and or water sources have
been contaminated?

Posted by Frank on April 18, 2008, 8:19 am
Gre0145 wrote:
> I just noticed that my washer was taking hours to fill. I cleaned the
> filter on the back and it was clogged with mud looking stuff. I then
> noticed that after flushing the toilet that the same particles where
> in that water as well. Not real thick but you could see them sitting
> on the toilet bottom. What is this? I've cleaned my filter on the
> washing machine 3 times now just for one load. This appears to be
> pretty serious. Anyone have any ideas what this may be and how to fix?
> I live in NC and we have been plauged by severe drought for the past
> year. It's gotten better over the last 3 months so could the water
> table lowering or rising have any impact on this problem?

Could be pump failing but you also should install a whole house sediment
filter. By washer filter, if you are taking about the screen in hose
line, I used to have this problem too. Whole house filter will resolve it.

Posted by Pete C. on April 18, 2008, 9:17 am

Frank wrote:
>
> Gre0145 wrote:
> > I just noticed that my washer was taking hours to fill. I cleaned the
> > filter on the back and it was clogged with mud looking stuff. I then
> > noticed that after flushing the toilet that the same particles where
> > in that water as well. Not real thick but you could see them sitting
> > on the toilet bottom. What is this? I've cleaned my filter on the
> > washing machine 3 times now just for one load. This appears to be
> > pretty serious. Anyone have any ideas what this may be and how to fix?
> > I live in NC and we have been plauged by severe drought for the past
> > year. It's gotten better over the last 3 months so could the water
> > table lowering or rising have any impact on this problem?
>
> Could be pump failing but you also should install a whole house sediment
> filter. By washer filter, if you are taking about the screen in hose
> line, I used to have this problem too. Whole house filter will resolve it.

If you have a well, you should have a whole house filter with at least a
basic sediment filter cartridge in it. Most wells will pickup some sand
and crud at times that will clog faucet aerators and the like which the
whole hose filter with it's much larger surface area will handle much
better. The whole house cartridges are easier to change than chasing and
cleaning aerators and filters at individual fixtures too.

As for drought and water tables, yes shifts in the water table can cause
changes in the amount of crud a well picks up, as can nearby
construction activity.

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