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What decade is this piece from? Aaron Fude 04-23-2008
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Posted by Aaron Fude on April 23, 2008, 10:11 pm
Hi,

I have purchase an antique piece on ebay and now I have grave doubts
about its being antique. It's a tea kettle and the claim is that it
was made in the 1800's. However, the pieces are being held together by
nuts and bolts. I have (low quality) picture that I took with my
camera phone here:

http://freeboundaries.com/bolt.jpg

Now I'm sure that the nut has been replaced, but the "bolt" part is
actually part of the handle - the threads are on the piece itself. And
the threads on the "bolt" part are a modern gauge and thread count.
Now, my question is this: can one tell when the contemporary thread
sizes were finalized? Was it in the 1800's or was it more like in the
1970's. And by looking at the picture that I provided, can one put a
lower bound on the time period in which this piece was made.

Many thanks in advance!

Aaron

Posted by John Grabowski on April 24, 2008, 7:59 am

> Hi,
>
> I have purchase an antique piece on ebay and now I have grave doubts
> about its being antique. It's a tea kettle and the claim is that it
> was made in the 1800's. However, the pieces are being held together by
> nuts and bolts. I have (low quality) picture that I took with my
> camera phone here:
>
> http://freeboundaries.com/bolt.jpg
>
> Now I'm sure that the nut has been replaced, but the "bolt" part is
> actually part of the handle - the threads are on the piece itself. And
> the threads on the "bolt" part are a modern gauge and thread count.
> Now, my question is this: can one tell when the contemporary thread
> sizes were finalized? Was it in the 1800's or was it more like in the
> 1970's. And by looking at the picture that I provided, can one put a
> lower bound on the time period in which this piece was made.


I had some old copper pots and kettles that I bought in Europe years ago.
They were around 200 hundred years old, but some of the handles looked newer
and there were some rivet repairs. I surmised after asking around that
these things would get repaired after something broke off and the blacksmith
would use the more modern repair method rather then restore the piece to its
original construction and design. You might have the same situation. Maybe
it was repaired or replaced 50 years ago.

Can you post pictures of the entire piece?


Posted by Norminn on April 24, 2008, 12:42 pm
Aaron Fude wrote:

>Hi,
>
>I have purchase an antique piece on ebay and now I have grave doubts
>about its being antique. It's a tea kettle and the claim is that it
>was made in the 1800's. However, the pieces are being held together by
>nuts and bolts. I have (low quality) picture that I took with my
>camera phone here:
>
>http://freeboundaries.com/bolt.jpg
>
>Now I'm sure that the nut has been replaced, but the "bolt" part is
>actually part of the handle - the threads are on the piece itself. And
>the threads on the "bolt" part are a modern gauge and thread count.
>Now, my question is this: can one tell when the contemporary thread
>sizes were finalized? Was it in the 1800's or was it more like in the
>1970's. And by looking at the picture that I provided, can one put a
>lower bound on the time period in which this piece was made.
>
>Many thanks in advance!
>
>Aaron
>
>
There are lots of old pieces which have been repaired with modern
fasteners. A picture of the
entire piece would help. Was silverplate? Any markings?

Posted by Aaron Fude on April 25, 2008, 12:26 pm
Thanks,

Here are two more pictures of the whole thing:

http://freeboundaries.com/sv1.jpg
http://freeboundaries.com/sv2.jpg

Please note that all three handles are attached by a "bolt/screw"
mechanism, meaning that the handle has threads and the finial screws
on to them. And all threads look quite contemporary.

Thanks!

Aaron

Posted by Norminn on April 25, 2008, 4:13 pm
Aaron Fude wrote:

>Thanks,
>
>Here are two more pictures of the whole thing:
>
>http://freeboundaries.com/sv1.jpg
>http://freeboundaries.com/sv2.jpg
>
>Please note that all three handles are attached by a "bolt/screw"
>mechanism, meaning that the handle has threads and the finial screws
>on to them. And all threads look quite contemporary.
>
>Thanks!
>
>Aaron
>
>
I've done lots of antiueing, but don't recall seeing anything like your
pix. When I have
seen ornate copper/brass tableware, it has usually been stripped of
silver. That might be
the reason the handles now screw on. Generally, the style of the black
wood handles might
be from around 1900 or thereabouts. What is the narrow thing on top -
drains into larger
container or ?........ Any markings on bottom?

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