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Posted by SteveB on October 18, 2009, 10:37 pm
And no one would be pissed off, feel that they had been screwed and
leave a bad/horrendous review in retaliation? I find almost just the
opposite in almost everything - people more readily leave bad reviews.
reply: I quit reading online reviews. They all looked like they were
written by the same English major, and I could find very few negatives.
I'd rather ask the neighbors or friends, or come here.
Steve
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Posted by on October 17, 2009, 12:30 pm
On Sat, 17 Oct 2009 11:21:24 -0400, Butch Haynes
>RicodJour wrote:
>> wrote:
>>> Sum Guy wrote:
>>>> Are the Dyson vacuum cleaners as good as they say they are?
>>>> Are they worthy of the tv-commercial air time? Or is this a case of "if
>>>> you advertize it, they will buy" ?
>>> They are just trying to justify a high price. Some people will buy
>>> something just because it costs more.
>>
>> Curious that you have such a strong opinion on something you don't
>> own. Virtually all of the reviews from people that actually bought it
>> are 4 and 5 stars (Dyson Animal). Google has a review consolidator -
>> click on the "all reviews" link.
>>
>> R
>Are there any reviews by an objective, unbiased source (e.g., Consumer
>Reports)?
>The cognitive dissonance problem with owner reviews of higher than usual
>priced stuff (e.g., Macs, Kirby vacuums, etc.) is that having spent the
>extra money, the buyer must now report how superior the product is lest
>he be seen as a sucker or even a fool...
Consumer reports is totally unbiased??????
I think not.
Pretty close - but there will ALWAYS be a bias.
And there are enough people in North America who will bitch about
ANYTHING, as well as launch "frivalous" lawsuits. No bitching and no
lawsuits would TEND to indicate better than average satisfaction.
Sure a lot od people bitched about Kirby and FilterQueen.
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Posted by Sum Guy on October 17, 2009, 2:03 pm
clare@snyder.on.ca wrote:
> Consumer reports is totally unbiased??????
> I think not.
>
> Pretty close - but there will ALWAYS be a bias.
They are probably have a bias against price or cost. They seem to
mechanize, automate, and use instrumentation recordings where possible.
A db meter for noise. A mechanical actuator to measure pushing force
when vaccuming. Measured amounts of dirt that are dumped on carpets and
then weighed to see how much the vacuum actually picked up. Even a
clean room with an airborne particulate counter to verify the
hepa-filter claims (their conclusion is that even regular vacuums that
don't claim to be hepa will work just as good as ones with "hepa"
filters).
I've got a kenmore canister that's about 8 years old that I want to
replace (the kenmore is being moved to a different location - not that
it's not working anymore).
The durability and performance of the beater bar, extension tube, flex
hose and handle are my primary concern, as those are the components that
experience wear and tear. Any improvements to those components that
result in less air leakage as those parts wear, wearing of rotating
parts, breakage of thin plastic, etc, are what I would seek to know - if
such things are actually knowable in this age of disposable products.
I've found that the Dyson claim of "never losing suction" to be a red
herring. Even my 8-year-old kenmore can completely fill the disposable
waste bag, indicating that it still has enough suction to pull material
from the floor even when the bag is 100% full. And I prefer to throw a
bag away vs dealing with dumping a canister. Noise level is also very
important to me - my gut feeling is that the bagless units are louder.
Online consumer reviews are a mixed bag. They could be accurate and
representative, or they could be biased (a tendency to compain vs
praise) or they could be faked or planted by the manufacturer (or the
competitor).
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Posted by Tony on October 17, 2009, 2:39 pm
clare@snyder.on.ca wrote:
> On Sat, 17 Oct 2009 11:21:24 -0400, Butch Haynes
>
>> RicodJour wrote:
>>> wrote:
>>>> Sum Guy wrote:
>>>>> Are the Dyson vacuum cleaners as good as they say they are?
>>>>> Are they worthy of the tv-commercial air time? Or is this a case of "if
>>>>> you advertize it, they will buy" ?
>>>> They are just trying to justify a high price. Some people will buy
>>>> something just because it costs more.
>>> Curious that you have such a strong opinion on something you don't
>>> own. Virtually all of the reviews from people that actually bought it
>>> are 4 and 5 stars (Dyson Animal). Google has a review consolidator -
>>> click on the "all reviews" link.
>>> R
>> Are there any reviews by an objective, unbiased source (e.g., Consumer
>> Reports)?
>> The cognitive dissonance problem with owner reviews of higher than usual
>> priced stuff (e.g., Macs, Kirby vacuums, etc.) is that having spent the
>> extra money, the buyer must now report how superior the product is lest
>> he be seen as a sucker or even a fool...
>
> Consumer reports is totally unbiased??????
> I think not.
>
> Pretty close - but there will ALWAYS be a bias.
>
> And there are enough people in North America who will bitch about
> ANYTHING, as well as launch "frivalous" lawsuits. No bitching and no
> lawsuits would TEND to indicate better than average satisfaction.
>
> Sure a lot od people bitched about Kirby and FilterQueen.
My dad and a friend had a small side business selling Filter Queens. I
grew up without the words "vacuum cleaner" in my vocabulary. I grew up
calling it a Filter Queen as others grew up using the brand name Xerox
for "copy machine". I recall using the words "Filter Queen" in school
and nobody knew what I was talking about!
More recently my mother keeps buying vacuum cleaners, not liking them,
and she gives them away and buys a different new one and it's still no
good. She says she wishes she had her old Filter Queen, that was the
best she ever used. I'd buy one on ebay and give it to her but she
probably wouldn't like it anymore.
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Posted by Tony Hwang on October 18, 2009, 10:52 pm
Tony wrote:
> clare@snyder.on.ca wrote:
>> On Sat, 17 Oct 2009 11:21:24 -0400, Butch Haynes
>>> RicodJour wrote:
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> Sum Guy wrote:
>>>>>> Are the Dyson vacuum cleaners as good as they say they are?
>>>>>> Are they worthy of the tv-commercial air time? Or is this a case
>>>>>> of "if
>>>>>> you advertize it, they will buy" ?
>>>>> They are just trying to justify a high price. Some people will buy
>>>>> something just because it costs more.
>>>> Curious that you have such a strong opinion on something you don't
>>>> own. Virtually all of the reviews from people that actually bought it
>>>> are 4 and 5 stars (Dyson Animal). Google has a review consolidator -
>>>> click on the "all reviews" link.
>>>> R
>>> Are there any reviews by an objective, unbiased source (e.g.,
>>> Consumer Reports)?
>>> The cognitive dissonance problem with owner reviews of higher than
>>> usual priced stuff (e.g., Macs, Kirby vacuums, etc.) is that having
>>> spent the extra money, the buyer must now report how superior the
>>> product is lest he be seen as a sucker or even a fool...
>> Consumer reports is totally unbiased??????
>> I think not.
>> Pretty close - but there will ALWAYS be a bias.
>> And there are enough people in North America who will bitch about
>> ANYTHING, as well as launch "frivalous" lawsuits. No bitching and no
>> lawsuits would TEND to indicate better than average satisfaction.
>> Sure a lot od people bitched about Kirby and FilterQueen.
>
> My dad and a friend had a small side business selling Filter Queens. I
> grew up without the words "vacuum cleaner" in my vocabulary. I grew up
> calling it a Filter Queen as others grew up using the brand name Xerox
> for "copy machine". I recall using the words "Filter Queen" in school
> and nobody knew what I was talking about!
>
> More recently my mother keeps buying vacuum cleaners, not liking them,
> and she gives them away and buys a different new one and it's still no
> good. She says she wishes she had her old Filter Queen, that was the
> best she ever used. I'd buy one on ebay and give it to her but she
> probably wouldn't like it anymore.
Hmmm,
What is wrong with built-in vacuum? We always had it for years. Any how
cleaners use it now, we seldom vacuum ourselves. I just empty the pan
once in a while. I can tell when it needs emptying, motor pitch tells me.
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