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What size junction box to use mighty.miindy 07-07-2006
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Posted by Chris Lewis on July 7, 2006, 12:49 pm
> Why is using the AC wire outside wrong? I checked with the local codes
> and they said it was fine. It is a weather proof plasic shield with an
> armor ontop of that along with another plastic cover over the armor. I
> took a piece of it to the place where I got my electrical permit and
> they said it was fine...

AC wire normally doesn't have a plastic shield _over_ the armor. The
outside is bare metal. Which doesn't work very good outdoors if it's
steel.

Here, AC wire with a sheath over the armor is usually called TECK
cable. _That's_ fine outdoors.

> Why do you say that it is wrong? I dont think I understand what you
> mean by a insulated ground.

> The 4x4 2 1/8 box that I do have just doesnt seem to hold everything
> properly. By the time I butt join the cables the wire is extremly hard
> to bend and leave any extra in the box. But then again that just may
> be me being not strong enough to bend the wires, but still I would
> rather have a bigger box and give me more room to bend the wires
> specially after I butt join them and put the shrink sleave on the butt
> ends.

An electrician wouldn't ordinarily have problems with 3x #6 splices
in a 4x4x2 j-box. You might want to use a utility box. These
are usually simple rectangular boxes meant to be surface mounted
with knockouts for cable clamps. Unlike j-boxes which have integral
cable clamps, cover ears etc.

We have one somewhere around 4x4x6" holding a splice between 3 #4 copper
and 3 #3 Al (100A feeder to a garage) plus the ground.
--
Chris Lewis, Una confibula non set est
It's not just anyone who gets a Starship Cruiser class named after them.

Posted by on July 7, 2006, 2:12 pm
On 7 Jul 2006 09:12:15 -0700, mighty.miindy@gmail.com wrote:

>Why is using the AC wire outside wrong? I checked with the local codes
>and they said it was fine. It is a weather proof plasic shield with an
>armor ontop of that along with another plastic cover over the armor. I
>took a piece of it to the place where I got my electrical permit and
>they said it was fine...
>
>Why do you say that it is wrong? I dont think I understand what you
>mean by a insulated ground.
>
>
Sorry for any confusion "AC cable" is a specific wiring method. It
sounds like you are talking about plastic coated "MC cable", which is
OK if it has the green wire ground (most does)

"680.21 Motors.
(A) Wiring Methods.
(1) General. The branch circuits for pool-associated motors shall be
installed in rigid metal conduit, intermediate metal conduit, rigid
nonmetallic conduit, or Type MC cable listed for the location. Other
wiring methods and materials shall be permitted in specific locations
or applications as covered in this section.

Any wiring method employed shall contain a copper equipment grounding
conductor sized in accordance with 250.122 but not smaller than 12
AWG."

You should go for the deep 4 11/16 box or just put an extension ring
on the one you have to increase it's depth if you are not comfortable
with the fit. I agree 100% jamming wires like this into the box they
say will fit may not be easy ... or safe. A two buck ring will give
you some breathing room.

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