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Posted by Mark on October 26, 2009, 1:57 pm
> On Mon, 26 Oct 2009 08:38:52 -0700 (PDT), "hr(bob) hofm...@att.net"
> >> On Mon, 26 Oct 2009 08:25:32 -0400, "Stormin Mormon"
> >> >A heating and AC wholesale parts house might have it. Or,
> >> I guess I should have thought of that. =A0Thanks.
> >> Do you know if I also need some sort of caulk or gasket to attach this
> >> part to the firebox and to the flue? =A0I can't see what's under the
> >> flange, but there seems to have been nothing between the other, round
> >> flange on this box and the flue.
> >> I think it wore out earlier than it would have because the humidifier
> >> overflowed on a few occasions and the top of this got wet.
> >> I told them the problem, and said I was trying to avoid an added call
> >> by their tech to see what is wrong, and they've postponed the
> >> cleaning.
> >> >take a couple digicam photos and take the camera to your big
> >> >box hardware store. I know one small town hardware that has
> >> >a lot of heating parts and pieces.- Hide quoted text -
> >> - Show quoted text -
> >When there is fire in the chamber, do the exhaust gasses flow thru
> >this pipe on the way to the chimney? =A0If so, you are risking a fire or
> >air poisoning if you don't replace this part.
> You're right. =A0I absolutely have to replace the part. =A0The oil compan=
y
> guy said that Carrier doesn't have it anymore, so I'm going to call
> local heating supply stores.
> Any other ideas where to look?
> It's called the Flue Collector, and connects the firebox to the flue.
> It's not sheet metal. =A0It's steel. =A0If I can't buy one, I was thinkin=
g
> that I could get a welder to weld a new layer of steel over the part
> that is thin. =A0 =A0It's open at one end, and I think the other 4 sides
> are good. =A0
> They've removed identical furnaces from here when my townhouse
> neighbors replace them, but I guess they are crushed and recycled, and
> don't sit in junk yards.
> > =A0But, if this metal is
> >so thin, what about the entire fire box?????
> Good question. =A0I think, and the repair manager at my oil company
> agreed, that the rust here was accelerated a lot because the
> humidifier overflowed and dripped water on the top of this part.
> Doesn't the furnace cleaning guy warn the customer when the firebox is
> leaking? =A0I asked last time and he said it was good.
> And I've been using a CO detector and it hasn't gone off, and last
> winter I put cloves in the firebox but didnt' smell anything where the
> heat came out of the vents.
> Thanks.- Hide quoted text -
> - Show quoted text -
if its a small hole, like the size of a big nail, do not worry, often
there is a hole like this where a technician will place a thermometer
probe to measure the exhaust temperature.
If the hole is that small and worries you, get some metal tape to
place over the hole or muffler patch etc and seal it.
Mark
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Posted by mm on October 26, 2009, 4:14 pm
wrote:
>> On Mon, 26 Oct 2009 08:38:52 -0700 (PDT), "hr(bob) hofm...@att.net"
>> >> On Mon, 26 Oct 2009 08:25:32 -0400, "Stormin Mormon"
>> >> >A heating and AC wholesale parts house might have it. Or,
>> >> I guess I should have thought of that. Thanks.
>> >> Do you know if I also need some sort of caulk or gasket to attach this
>> >> part to the firebox and to the flue? I can't see what's under the
>> >> flange, but there seems to have been nothing between the other, round
>> >> flange on this box and the flue.
>> >> I think it wore out earlier than it would have because the humidifier
>> >> overflowed on a few occasions and the top of this got wet.
>> >> I told them the problem, and said I was trying to avoid an added call
>> >> by their tech to see what is wrong, and they've postponed the
>> >> cleaning.
>> >> >take a couple digicam photos and take the camera to your big
>> >> >box hardware store. I know one small town hardware that has
>> >> >a lot of heating parts and pieces.- Hide quoted text -
>> >> - Show quoted text -
>> >When there is fire in the chamber, do the exhaust gasses flow thru
>> >this pipe on the way to the chimney? If so, you are risking a fire or
>> >air poisoning if you don't replace this part.
>> You're right. I absolutely have to replace the part. The oil company
>> guy said that Carrier doesn't have it anymore, so I'm going to call
>> local heating supply stores.
>> Any other ideas where to look?
>> It's called the Flue Collector, and connects the firebox to the flue.
>> It's not sheet metal. It's steel. If I can't buy one, I was thinking
>> that I could get a welder to weld a new layer of steel over the part
>> that is thin. It's open at one end, and I think the other 4 sides
>> are good.
>> They've removed identical furnaces from here when my townhouse
>> neighbors replace them, but I guess they are crushed and recycled, and
>> don't sit in junk yards.
>> > But, if this metal is
>> >so thin, what about the entire fire box?????
>> Good question. I think, and the repair manager at my oil company
>> agreed, that the rust here was accelerated a lot because the
>> humidifier overflowed and dripped water on the top of this part.
>> Doesn't the furnace cleaning guy warn the customer when the firebox is
>> leaking? I asked last time and he said it was good.
>> And I've been using a CO detector and it hasn't gone off, and last
>> winter I put cloves in the firebox but didnt' smell anything where the
>> heat came out of the vents.
>> Thanks.- Hide quoted text -
>> - Show quoted text -
>if its a small hole, like the size of a big nail, do not worry, often
>there is a hole like this where a technician will place a thermometer
>probe to measure the exhaust temperature.
I had a hole like that when I bought the house, and someone had
screwed a screw into it.
>If the hole is that small and worries you, get some metal tape to
>place over the hole or muffler patch etc and seal it.
Then after a furnace cleaning, I found a second hole and it did worry
me. Thanks for the info. Next time it won't worry me, I had some
metal tape and I covered it.
This hole is much bigger, 4 inches. It probably didn't exist until I
tried to shopvac the area. I'm going to try some more to get an
original replacement somewhere, and then I think I'll get a welding
guy to cover it with another layer. Sort of like on the A-team when
they take a car and cover it with scraps of metal. Except a much
better fit.
For the same momey, maybe I could buy an arc welder and do it myself.
Should I?
The pieces are 14"x18", 14x2,14x19, and two trapezoidal pieces about
5x18. Since appearance doesn't mattter, maybe it would be a great
beginners project.
I won't need a jig since I can just put on a little glue to hold the
pieces to the original.
....although how will an arc welder work if the two pieces to be
welded are resting on the same iron or steel box.?
>Mark
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Posted by Stormin Mormon on October 26, 2009, 5:15 pm
You may be able to cut a piece to shape, and atach it with
sheet metal screws. Pop rivets (steel) would be good, too.
Welding is good, but it may burn up some of the rusty metal,
and turn into more work.
--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
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This hole is much bigger, 4 inches. It probably didn't
exist until I
tried to shopvac the area. I'm going to try some more to get
an
original replacement somewhere, and then I think I'll get a
welding
guy to cover it with another layer. Sort of like on the
A-team when
they take a car and cover it with scraps of metal. Except
a much
better fit.
For the same momey, maybe I could buy an arc welder and do
it myself.
Should I?
The pieces are 14"x18", 14x2,14x19, and two trapezoidal
pieces about
5x18. Since appearance doesn't mattter, maybe it would be
a great
beginners project.
I won't need a jig since I can just put on a little glue to
hold the
pieces to the original.
....although how will an arc welder work if the two pieces
to be
welded are resting on the same iron or steel box.?
>Mark
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Posted by Stormin Mormon on October 26, 2009, 4:13 pm
Don't know. I do very little oil work. Might be an asbestos
gasket, but most likely no gasket.
--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
.
On Mon, 26 Oct 2009 08:25:32 -0400, "Stormin Mormon"
>A heating and AC wholesale parts house might have it. Or,
I guess I should have thought of that. Thanks.
Do you know if I also need some sort of caulk or gasket to
attach this
part to the firebox and to the flue? I can't see what's
under the
flange, but there seems to have been nothing between the
other, round
flange on this box and the flue.
I think it wore out earlier than it would have because the
humidifier
overflowed on a few occasions and the top of this got wet.
I told them the problem, and said I was trying to avoid an
added call
by their tech to see what is wrong, and they've postponed
the
cleaning.
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Posted by on October 27, 2009, 10:32 am
On Oct 26, 4:13=A0pm, "Stormin Mormon"
> Don't know. I do very little oil work. Might be an asbestos
> gasket, but most likely no gasket.
> --
> Christopher A. Young
> Learn more about Jesus
> =A0www.lds.org
> .
> On Mon, 26 Oct 2009 08:25:32 -0400, "Stormin Mormon"
> >A heating and AC wholesale parts house might have it. Or,
> I guess I should have thought of that. =A0Thanks.
> Do you know if I also need some sort of caulk or gasket to
> attach this
> part to the firebox and to the flue? =A0I can't see what's
> under the
> flange, but there seems to have been nothing between the
> other, round
> flange on this box and the flue.
> I think it wore out earlier than it would have because the
> humidifier
> overflowed on a few occasions and the top of this got wet.
> I told them the problem, and said I was trying to avoid an
> added call
> by their tech to see what is wrong, and they've postponed
> the
> cleaning.
Keep in mind that there are substantial tax credits this year that
could apply to a new furnace. With a 20+ year old unit, you could
get a new higher efficiency one and now might be the time.
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