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Where to get oxalic acid in TO; LV cabinet scraper tools needed? bent 07-06-2008
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Posted by bent on July 6, 2008, 4:05 pm
I need to brighten/ bleach my pine picnic table 2"x12"x8' boards that have
the blackened water marks, etc. before I finish with Spar. Its great to see
after its done so. I have liquid pool chlorine, which does a great job of
whitening, but may have its own drawbacks (maybe not), but someone mentioned
oxalic acid instead. The problem with pool chlorine is that the poly
doesn't stick after, but I've only ever done it once or so to know whatever
I did or didn't do didn't adequately rid/neutralize it. Again someone
mentioned sanding. I could work chlorine in earlier to the overall re&re
process this time. I probably did nothing or a light water rinse before,
&/or maybe a light sand. Again any further comments about neutralizing for
either the chlorine or oxalic acid, or any other product. Oh ya, and where
do I get it in Toronto? Not LV, CT, HH, or HD!

Has another used or will recommend buying the accessories that you can buy
from Lee Valley for sharpening a cabinet scraper? I think I can sharpen and
flatten the scraper alright without extra tools. Just need a good flat file
after it is normal and true then take a few final level swipes. But I have
yet to get a piece of (round) metal stock of hardness greater than the
scraper for putting the crucial finish on it, and you just can't find
something anywhere around the whole house can you. There are two (2) items
I think might do the job, a piston wrist pin or a valve lifer, form an
automobile, but don't know if either is a good fit. To get the hook I get
the feeling (experimenting with a kitchen knife sharpening tool) that a load
of exertion is required, and then there is the skill level too. I'm no
craftsman but for getting rid of bondo on a door jamb there is no other
tool, and the list goes on. But I wish I could get mine working right;
barely useable as a paper weight when I am done with it currently. So here
are the LV products. Are they good investments? About $37 for a sharpener!
Or should I get to the auto rebuilders with a fiver?

http://www.leevalley.com/wood/page.aspx?c=1&p=32633&cat=1,310,41070
Veritas® Variable Burnisher
05K37.01 Not the round one (to make a hook cuz I've made better with a
blow torch and stair railing)

http://www.leevalley.com/wood/page.aspx?c=1&p=32631&cat=1,43072,43089
Veritas® Jointer/Edger
05M07.01 I am pretty sure I don't need this (for flattening/truing)


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Posted by dpb on July 6, 2008, 4:39 pm
bent wrote:
...
> oxalic acid, or any other product. Oh ya, and where do I get it in
> Toronto? Not LV, CT, HH, or HD!

Many of the deck cleaners that HD had last time I was painting were
oxalic-acid based. Can't imagine they don't have the crystals, either,
but I don't know Toronto. If not, any full line paint supplier
certainly should...

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Posted by David Nebenzahl on July 6, 2008, 9:55 pm
On 7/6/2008 1:05 PM bent spake thus:

> Has another used or will recommend buying the accessories that you
> can buy from Lee Valley for sharpening a cabinet scraper? I think I
> can sharpen and flatten the scraper alright without extra tools. Just
> need a good flat file after it is normal and true then take a few
> final level swipes. But I have yet to get a piece of (round) metal
> stock of hardness greater than the scraper for putting the crucial
> finish on it, and you just can't find something anywhere around the
> whole house can you. There are two (2) items I think might do the
> job, a piston wrist pin or a valve lifer, form an automobile, but
> don't know if either is a good fit.

I've used the stem of an old automobile valve with good results; it's
hardened, probably as hard or harder than the scraper. They make special
tools ("scraper burnishers") for this, but they're expen$ive.


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Posted by Andy Dingley on July 10, 2008, 9:41 pm
On Sun, 06 Jul 2008 18:55:49 -0700, David Nebenzahl

>I've used the stem of an old automobile valve with good results;

If you do this, fit a handle. It's far to easy to slip otherwise - one
way you ding the sscraper, the other way it's your knuckles.

>They make special tools ("scraper burnishers") for this, but they're expen$ive.

Mine was cheap. So cheap that it's easier than putting handles on
valves.

The Veritas adjustable angle one is really pretty good.

Posted by Boden on July 7, 2008, 12:07 am
Try here for an inexpensive burnisher:
http://woodcraft.com/family.aspx?familyid=262&ProductID=142576

I use this for the whole job:
http://woodcraft.com/family.aspx?familyid=3741&ProductID=141025

As for oxalic acid, I just had my local hardware store order a case of
24 1 lb containers. Any good hardware or paint store should be able to
do the same thing. I'd urge not using a chlorine bleach. The results
with oxalic acid will be far better. Water is all that is needed after
bleaching with oxalic acid. No neutralization with a base is needed.



bent wrote:
> I need to brighten/ bleach my pine picnic table 2"x12"x8' boards that
> have the blackened water marks, etc. before I finish with Spar. Its
> great to see after its done so. I have liquid pool chlorine, which does
> a great job of whitening, but may have its own drawbacks (maybe not),
> but someone mentioned oxalic acid instead. The problem with pool
> chlorine is that the poly doesn't stick after, but I've only ever done
> it once or so to know whatever I did or didn't do didn't adequately
> rid/neutralize it. Again someone mentioned sanding. I could work
> chlorine in earlier to the overall re&re process this time. I probably
> did nothing or a light water rinse before, &/or maybe a light sand.
> Again any further comments about neutralizing for either the chlorine or
> oxalic acid, or any other product. Oh ya, and where do I get it in
> Toronto? Not LV, CT, HH, or HD!
>
> Has another used or will recommend buying the accessories that you can
> buy from Lee Valley for sharpening a cabinet scraper? I think I can
> sharpen and flatten the scraper alright without extra tools. Just need
> a good flat file after it is normal and true then take a few final level
> swipes. But I have yet to get a piece of (round) metal stock of
> hardness greater than the scraper for putting the crucial finish on it,
> and you just can't find something anywhere around the whole house can
> you. There are two (2) items I think might do the job, a piston wrist
> pin or a valve lifer, form an automobile, but don't know if either is a
> good fit. To get the hook I get the feeling (experimenting with a
> kitchen knife sharpening tool) that a load of exertion is required, and
> then there is the skill level too. I'm no craftsman but for getting rid
> of bondo on a door jamb there is no other tool, and the list goes on.
> But I wish I could get mine working right; barely useable as a paper
> weight when I am done with it currently. So here are the LV products.
> Are they good investments? About $37 for a sharpener! Or should I get
> to the auto rebuilders with a fiver?
>
> http://www.leevalley.com/wood/page.aspx?c=1&p=32633&cat=1,310,41070
> Veritas® Variable Burnisher
> 05K37.01 Not the round one (to make a hook cuz I've made better with a
> blow torch and stair railing)
>
> http://www.leevalley.com/wood/page.aspx?c=1&p=32631&cat=1,43072,43089
> Veritas® Jointer/Edger
> 05M07.01 I am pretty sure I don't need this (for flattening/truing)
>
>
> BTW Is the simple act of posting here in NGs lately causing my junk
> mail quantity to increase? You can e-mail me an answer if you wish!?
>
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