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Who you gonna call? Nick Danger 12-03-2007
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Posted by Nick Danger on December 3, 2007, 9:48 pm
This should be a no-brainer, but like so many home repair tasks, it's
turning into an exercise in futility. A few weeks ago a dark spot started
appearing on the kitchen ceiling. It continued to get darker, larger and
turning black. It wasn't hard to figure out the problem. There's a shower
stall directly overhead. Fortunately it was right over some cabinets, so I
ripped out the sheetrock at that spot and put a bucket right under the
drainpipe. I still don't know exactly what's leaking. I can run the shower
for 20 minutes and I don't see any water dripping. But the bucket always has
water in it, and clearly water was dripping onto the ceiling. The shower
stall is tiled - walls and floor. I called a plumber and he said he only
does plumbing, not tile work. I called a tile guy and he said he only does
tiles, not plumbing. Neither of them will deal with the sheetrock, but I'm
willing to do that job myself. I swore off doing my own plumbing work years
ago, when I found that even the simplest job often results in something
breaking that leaves the entire house without water until the supply shop
opens two days later. Now I don't do anything more complex than replacing a
washer.

Now the question is: How can I get this simple leak fixed as a
one-stop-shopping operation? I don't want to call one person (plumber or
tile guy), have him to ten minutes work and then tell me the other guy needs
to take it from there, then call him and have him do ten minutes work and
tell me it's the first guy's job now, and keep bouncing back and forth. I've
tried a couple well-recommended handymen, but when they hear the words tiles
and plumbing, they don't return my calls. Soon, all the plumbers around here
will be fully booked with fixing frozen pipes, so I'd like to get this taken
care of this month. Anyone have any suggestions?


Posted by Norminn on December 3, 2007, 9:50 pm
Nick Danger wrote:

> This should be a no-brainer, but like so many home repair tasks, it's
> turning into an exercise in futility. A few weeks ago a dark spot
> started appearing on the kitchen ceiling. It continued to get darker,
> larger and turning black. It wasn't hard to figure out the problem.
> There's a shower stall directly overhead. Fortunately it was right
> over some cabinets, so I ripped out the sheetrock at that spot and put
> a bucket right under the drainpipe. I still don't know exactly what's
> leaking. I can run the shower for 20 minutes and I don't see any water
> dripping. But the bucket always has water in it, and clearly water was
> dripping onto the ceiling. The shower stall is tiled - walls and
> floor. I called a plumber and he said he only does plumbing, not tile
> work. I called a tile guy and he said he only does tiles, not
> plumbing. Neither of them will deal with the sheetrock, but I'm
> willing to do that job myself. I swore off doing my own plumbing work
> years ago, when I found that even the simplest job often results in
> something breaking that leaves the entire house without water until
> the supply shop opens two days later. Now I don't do anything more
> complex than replacing a washer.
>
> Now the question is: How can I get this simple leak fixed as a
> one-stop-shopping operation? I don't want to call one person (plumber
> or tile guy), have him to ten minutes work and then tell me the other
> guy needs to take it from there, then call him and have him do ten
> minutes work and tell me it's the first guy's job now, and keep
> bouncing back and forth. I've tried a couple well-recommended
> handymen, but when they hear the words tiles and plumbing, they don't
> return my calls. Soon, all the plumbers around here will be fully
> booked with fixing frozen pipes, so I'd like to get this taken care of
> this month. Anyone have any suggestions?

Wow! A real mystery! I would start at the top, look at roof and attic
to see if there is a leak that could follow plumbing or a vent stack.
Vents are pretty notorious for leaking, I believe. How is the tile?
Any little holes from deteriorated grout? Since you have the ceiling
open, perhaps you can lay newspaper under the shower and see if you can
localize the water source a little better as the wet spot would be
easier to see.. Shower floor is tile? Fiberglass? Tape some plastic
over the shower drain and see if that stops leaks. If not, then it
almost has to be the faucets, it would seem. Access panel to the
faucets? If not, can an opening be made on other side of the wall?
Good luck. Let us know.

Posted by Norminn on December 4, 2007, 8:01 am
Norminn wrote:

> Nick Danger wrote:
>
>> This should be a no-brainer, but like so many home repair tasks, it's
>> turning into an exercise in futility. A few weeks ago a dark spot
>> started appearing on the kitchen ceiling. It continued to get darker,
>> larger and turning black. It wasn't hard to figure out the problem.
>> There's a shower stall directly overhead. Fortunately it was right
>> over some cabinets, so I ripped out the sheetrock at that spot and
>> put a bucket right under the drainpipe. I still don't know exactly
>> what's leaking. I can run the shower for 20 minutes and I don't see
>> any water dripping. But the bucket always has water in it, and
>> clearly water was dripping onto the ceiling. The shower stall is
>> tiled - walls and floor. I called a plumber and he said he only does
>> plumbing, not tile work. I called a tile guy and he said he only does
>> tiles, not plumbing. Neither of them will deal with the sheetrock,
>> but I'm willing to do that job myself. I swore off doing my own
>> plumbing work years ago, when I found that even the simplest job
>> often results in something breaking that leaves the entire house
>> without water until the supply shop opens two days later. Now I don't
>> do anything more complex than replacing a washer.
>>
>> Now the question is: How can I get this simple leak fixed as a
>> one-stop-shopping operation? I don't want to call one person (plumber
>> or tile guy), have him to ten minutes work and then tell me the other
>> guy needs to take it from there, then call him and have him do ten
>> minutes work and tell me it's the first guy's job now, and keep
>> bouncing back and forth. I've tried a couple well-recommended
>> handymen, but when they hear the words tiles and plumbing, they don't
>> return my calls. Soon, all the plumbers around here will be fully
>> booked with fixing frozen pipes, so I'd like to get this taken care
>> of this month. Anyone have any suggestions?
>
>
> Wow! A real mystery! I would start at the top, look at roof and
> attic to see if there is a leak that could follow plumbing or a vent
> stack. Vents are pretty notorious for leaking, I believe. How is the
> tile? Any little holes from deteriorated grout? Since you have the
> ceiling open, perhaps you can lay newspaper under the shower and see
> if you can localize the water source a little better as the wet spot
> would be easier to see.. Shower floor is tile? Fiberglass? Tape
> some plastic over the shower drain and see if that stops leaks. If
> not, then it almost has to be the faucets, it would seem. Access
> panel to the faucets? If not, can an opening be made on other side of
> the wall? Good luck. Let us know.

Just to clarify, I would inspect the entire roof, inside and out, as
leaks can traverse a rafter or a beam and find an outlet far from where
they enter.

Posted by Rick Zimmerman on December 3, 2007, 10:19 pm

"Nick Danger" wrote

> Now the question is: How can I get this simple leak fixed as a
> one-stop-shopping operation? Anyone have any suggestions?

First, lose the attitude of "simple leak". If it were so simple, you would
at least know if it's coming through the tile, or the drain, or a supply
line.

If it's one attitude, contractor's dislike, is someone telling them it's a
simple problem.

If it's so simple, fix it yourself.



Posted by Cheri on December 3, 2007, 11:00 pm


>Now the question is: How can I get this simple leak fixed as a
>one-stop-shopping operation? I don't want to call one person (plumber
or
>tile guy), have him to ten minutes work and then tell me the other
guy needs
>to take it from there, then call him and have him do ten minutes work
and
>tell me it's the first guy's job now, and keep bouncing back and
forth. I've
>tried a couple well-recommended handymen, but when they hear the
words tiles
>and plumbing, they don't return my calls. Soon, all the plumbers
around here
>will be fully booked with fixing frozen pipes, so I'd like to get
this taken
>care of this month. Anyone have any suggestions?

Not exactly the same thing, but that's what I had to do when having a
new sink installed. I had to have the tile guys remove the tile, then
the plumber there to put the sink in, and then the tile guys come back
to put the tile around it. There really was no way around it. I hope
it works out for you.

Cheri
>





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