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Whole House Water Filters Jerry 02-15-2007
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Posted by Deke on February 17, 2007, 12:27 pm






wrote:

>> snip

Gary,
In a simple sentence tell me why water softened water isn't salty.

????

DEke


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Posted by Nathan on February 17, 2007, 12:24 am


I can taste the difference.

When I use potassium, the water tastes sweeter then when I use plain salt or
no softener.


>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> >> >I am looking for advice on water filters/softeners.
>>
>> >> > We live in Idaho. Our water isn't too bad. It is city water and
>> >> > has
>> >> > some slight taste to it. It is also somewhat hard (compared to our
>> >> > previous house in Colorado), but enough different that we can tell
>> >> > just in how our hair feels when it is washed.
>>
>> >> > Now we just bought a new house that is plumbed for a softener
>> >> > (probably just the hot water or water line that doesn't include the
>> >> > kitchen or refigerator lines). We would like to make the water
>> >> > taste
>> >> > better and perhaps be a little bit softer. Since we have been busy
>> >> > with other aspects of moving in, we haven't had a water test done
>> >> > yet.
>>
>> >> > I guess I am looking for advice on what we should be looking for and
>> >> > how to best go about it.
>>
>> >> > Thanks,
>>
>> >> > Jerry
>>
>> >> You might consider treating the two issues separately. For instance, a
>> >> charcoal-based filter just for drinking water may be enough to deal
>> >> with
>> >> the
>> >> taste. You can experiment cheaply by first trying a Brita jug. If you
>> >> like
>> >> the results, go bigger.
>>
>> >> As far as water hardness, that can be divided into two issues:
>>
>> >> - Does its "feel" really matter that much? If not, do nothing.
>>
>> >> - Is the water hard enough to mess with the internal workings of
>> >> faucets?
>> >> You probably haven't been there long enough to find out. Ask a
>> >> neighbor.
>>
>> >> Here's an excerpt from my county's water quality report:
>> >> " Water hardness is a measure of the mineral content of water. Our
>> >> water,
>> >> which has a Total Hardness of between 5.6 and 7.6 grains per gallon,
>> >> is
>> >> considered "moderately hard". By way of comparison, before they
>> >> switched
>> >> to
>> >> MCWA, many local communities used ground water supplies with Total
>> >> Hardness
>> >> values of more than 20 grains per gallon."
>>
>> >> Worst chore: I have to remove the shower head once or twice a year,
>> >> soak
>> >> it
>> >> in hot vinegar, rinse it, and screw it back on. Based on how the
>> >> faucets
>> >> feel, I may have to take them apart and soak & scrub the cartridges
>> >> soon.
>> >> This is a once every two year thing.
>>
>> > You are not aware of all the hidden costs of living with water with
>> > more than 3-4 gpg of hardness.
>>
>> > The biggest cost is the water heater, the additional fuel it costs and
>> > premature failure of either electric elements or oil and gas fired
>> > heaters. All fabrics washed in hard water wear out much sooner than if
>> > softened water is used. You use much more detergent, softening agents,
>> > cleansers, hand soaps, shampoo, skin cream and oils while suffering
>> > dry itchy skin and it takes more time to clean the water using
>> > appliances. Coffee pots and all other water using appliances fail much
>> > sooner on hard water than on soft water. All that costs more than the
>> > right softener and to feed it some salt every month or two.
>>
>> > To learn about correctly sizing a softener etc.
>> >www.qualitywaterassociates.com
>>
>> > Gary
>> > Quality Water Associates
>>
>> I've heard all this, Gary. It's odd, though:
>>
>> - All fabrics? I have shirts that look new 10 years later. T-shirts,
>> cotton
>> dress shirts, polo shirts, flannel shirts, all of them.
>> - My coffee maker's 5 years old. The previous one lasted 15 years.
>> - Previous house: Washing machine went 20 years, and was there for 10
>> before
>> we moved in.
>> (This house is in the same water district as the previous one.)
>> - 1/3 capful of laundry liquid works fine, not the 1/2 to full capful
>> recommended on the bottle.
>> - Previous house: Water heater lasted us 18 years, and 5 before we moved
>> in.
>>
>> As far as using a water softener, the main reason I've never considered
>> one
>> is that any time I've experienced water in a home where one is used, it
>> feels like I'm washing with glycerine. It takes forever to wash off soap
>> (yes, I use less in these situations). And, it tastes like crap.
>
> The slippery feeling is because the pores of your skin are clean and
> that allows the natural oils to come to the surface. And if "It takes
> forever to wash off soap", their softener isn't set up correctly or
> you would never be able to "wash off the soap". Possibly you just
> think you washed it off because you get used to the feeling but your
> mind won't accept that, so you remain anti-water softener be damned.
>
> As far as taste, that's usually the mind at work too. The vast
> majority of people can not taste the difference between hard and
> softened waters but... good water has no taste, it's the things
> dissolved into water that gives it a good or bad taste.
>
> BTY, it takes 21 days to make or break a good or bad habit.
>
> Gary
> Quality Water Associates
>



Posted by Nathan on February 16, 2007, 12:41 am


dang, every month or two. I have to use a 40# bag every other week. I
called my city water dept. a while ago and they said some low number, but
not what unit of measurement and hung up..


>>
>>
>>
>>
>> >I am looking for advice on water filters/softeners.
>>
>> > We live in Idaho. Our water isn't too bad. It is city water and has
>> > some slight taste to it. It is also somewhat hard (compared to our
>> > previous house in Colorado), but enough different that we can tell
>> > just in how our hair feels when it is washed.
>>
>> > Now we just bought a new house that is plumbed for a softener
>> > (probably just the hot water or water line that doesn't include the
>> > kitchen or refigerator lines). We would like to make the water taste
>> > better and perhaps be a little bit softer. Since we have been busy
>> > with other aspects of moving in, we haven't had a water test done yet.
>>
>> > I guess I am looking for advice on what we should be looking for and
>> > how to best go about it.
>>
>> > Thanks,
>>
>> > Jerry
>>
>> You might consider treating the two issues separately. For instance, a
>> charcoal-based filter just for drinking water may be enough to deal with
>> the
>> taste. You can experiment cheaply by first trying a Brita jug. If you
>> like
>> the results, go bigger.
>>
>> As far as water hardness, that can be divided into two issues:
>>
>> - Does its "feel" really matter that much? If not, do nothing.
>>
>> - Is the water hard enough to mess with the internal workings of faucets?
>> You probably haven't been there long enough to find out. Ask a neighbor.
>>
>> Here's an excerpt from my county's water quality report:
>> " Water hardness is a measure of the mineral content of water. Our water,
>> which has a Total Hardness of between 5.6 and 7.6 grains per gallon, is
>> considered "moderately hard". By way of comparison, before they switched
>> to
>> MCWA, many local communities used ground water supplies with Total
>> Hardness
>> values of more than 20 grains per gallon."
>>
>> Worst chore: I have to remove the shower head once or twice a year, soak
>> it
>> in hot vinegar, rinse it, and screw it back on. Based on how the faucets
>> feel, I may have to take them apart and soak & scrub the cartridges soon.
>> This is a once every two year thing.
>
> You are not aware of all the hidden costs of living with water with
> more than 3-4 gpg of hardness.
>
> The biggest cost is the water heater, the additional fuel it costs and
> premature failure of either electric elements or oil and gas fired
> heaters. All fabrics washed in hard water wear out much sooner than if
> softened water is used. You use much more detergent, softening agents,
> cleansers, hand soaps, shampoo, skin cream and oils while suffering
> dry itchy skin and it takes more time to clean the water using
> appliances. Coffee pots and all other water using appliances fail much
> sooner on hard water than on soft water. All that costs more than the
> right softener and to feed it some salt every month or two.
>
> To learn about correctly sizing a softener etc.
> www.qualitywaterassociates.com
>
> Gary
> Quality Water Associates
>



Posted by Gary Slusser on February 16, 2007, 9:47 am


> dang, every month or two. I have to use a 40# bag every other week. I
> called my city water dept. a while ago and they said some low number, but
> not what unit of measurement and hung up..

You can go to their web site and look up their water quality report.
You want their highest hardness figure because using what is in the
water at your house today, if you tested it yourself, and then they
send you harder water for two months later, it messes up the softener.
They usually use mg/l but some use ppm. They are the same measurement.
You convert them to gpg by dividing the mg/l or ppm by 17.1.

I find that most people have smaller softeners than they should and
that causes them to use more salt than a larger softener would. I.E. a
1 cuft (commonly referred to as a 32k) softener and you need say 24k
of capacity for a regeneration every 3-4 days with a 1 day of reserve
capacity so you'd have to set the salt dose at 9 lbs.. Now if you had
bought a 1.5 cuft, 9 lbs gets you 30k of capacity (with a max up to
45k with 23 lbs of salt) and would give you a regeneration every 5-6
days (with a day''s reserve) OR... had you gone to a 2 cuft you could
get a regeneration every 8 days and use only 7 lbs of salt and the
control valve has variable reserve based on each day's use of over the
last 21 days, Those are examples but actual figures. I sell many
softeners and all of them except those on high iron water regenerate
every 8 days and only use from 3 to 8 lbs per regeneration.

For more on salt efficiency, see the sizing page at;
www.qualitywaterassociates.com

Gary
Quality Water Associates


Posted by Nathan on February 17, 2007, 12:30 am


My water softener is almost as big as my water heater. I think it is
something like 36k. I can pour in 80-90 pounds of salt. (more then 2-40#
bags) Unfortunately the hardness is soo high, that I have it set to 90%
capacity. Is there any way to make it more efficient? I already have the
salt efficiency mode on.


>> dang, every month or two. I have to use a 40# bag every other week. I
>> called my city water dept. a while ago and they said some low number, but
>> not what unit of measurement and hung up..
>
> You can go to their web site and look up their water quality report.
> You want their highest hardness figure because using what is in the
> water at your house today, if you tested it yourself, and then they
> send you harder water for two months later, it messes up the softener.
> They usually use mg/l but some use ppm. They are the same measurement.
> You convert them to gpg by dividing the mg/l or ppm by 17.1.
>
> I find that most people have smaller softeners than they should and
> that causes them to use more salt than a larger softener would. I.E. a
> 1 cuft (commonly referred to as a 32k) softener and you need say 24k
> of capacity for a regeneration every 3-4 days with a 1 day of reserve
> capacity so you'd have to set the salt dose at 9 lbs.. Now if you had
> bought a 1.5 cuft, 9 lbs gets you 30k of capacity (with a max up to
> 45k with 23 lbs of salt) and would give you a regeneration every 5-6
> days (with a day''s reserve) OR... had you gone to a 2 cuft you could
> get a regeneration every 8 days and use only 7 lbs of salt and the
> control valve has variable reserve based on each day's use of over the
> last 21 days, Those are examples but actual figures. I sell many
> softeners and all of them except those on high iron water regenerate
> every 8 days and only use from 3 to 8 lbs per regeneration.
>
> For more on salt efficiency, see the sizing page at;
> www.qualitywaterassociates.com
>
> Gary
> Quality Water Associates
>



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