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Why is there "paper" under 12" tile squares. John Gilmer 06-29-2007
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Posted by John Gilmer on June 29, 2007, 10:13 am
Yesterday, we pulled the 12" square tile squares off a bathroom floor. We
have owned the place for almost 20 year but we don't know how much longer
than that the tile was in place.

Anyway, it seems that these is "paper" between the tiles and the sub-floor.

Was this common practice in the past? I will say that the "paper" made it
easy to pick up the old tiles. The paper is stuck to the subfloor here and
there but most of it scrapes up. The paper didn't seem to absorb moisture
unlike the masonite underlayment that the kitchen the same house used.

If I knew what the stuff was, I would be tempted to put down "paper" again.




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Posted by ** Frank ** on June 29, 2007, 5:50 pm

> Yesterday, we pulled the 12" square tile squares off a bathroom floor.
> We
> have owned the place for almost 20 year but we don't know how much longer
> than that the tile was in place.
>
> Anyway, it seems that these is "paper" between the tiles and the
> sub-floor.
>
> Was this common practice in the past? I will say that the "paper" made
> it
> easy to pick up the old tiles. The paper is stuck to the subfloor here
> and
> there but most of it scrapes up. The paper didn't seem to absorb
> moisture
> unlike the masonite underlayment that the kitchen the same house used.
>
> If I knew what the stuff was, I would be tempted to put down "paper"
> again.
>
>
>

My 1980 vintage kitchen countertop had the Craft wax paper. Base cabinet,
particle board, wax paper, bed of mortar with chicken wire and than the tile
on top of it all. Lasted for years.

Don't know about floors. My floor tiles were bounded directly to the
concrete slab. Had to take a jack hammer to it as the rotary hammer wasn't
strong enough. Would have been lot easier to remove if paper were used on
top of the concrete.



Posted by mm on June 29, 2007, 6:54 pm
wrote:

>Yesterday, we pulled the 12" square tile squares off a bathroom floor. We
>have owned the place for almost 20 year but we don't know how much longer
>than that the tile was in place.

So the only thing holding everything in place was the grout and
gravity?

>Anyway, it seems that these is "paper" between the tiles and the sub-floor.
>
>Was this common practice in the past? I will say that the "paper" made it
>easy to pick up the old tiles. The paper is stuck to the subfloor here and
>there but most of it scrapes up. The paper didn't seem to absorb moisture
>unlike the masonite underlayment that the kitchen the same house used.
>
>If I knew what the stuff was, I would be tempted to put down "paper" again.

Just a guess, maybe there was paper between the tiles in the box they
came in, and the installer put them down a s a unit.


Posted by John Gilmer on June 30, 2007, 6:18 am

> wrote:
>
> >Yesterday, we pulled the 12" square tile squares off a bathroom floor.
We
> >have owned the place for almost 20 year but we don't know how much longer
> >than that the tile was in place.
>
> So the only thing holding everything in place was the grout and
> gravity?

No. The tiles seems to be of the "self-stick" variety or have some very
thin adhesive. These are just your run of the mill "plastic" tiles.
Except for where the bridged over the joint between two pieces of the
sub-floor, there was no tile failure and no lifting. The tiles butted
against each other so there was no grout.

The "paper" seems to be held down by some still put down with a notched
trowel. Just your regular "mastic."


>
> >Anyway, it seems that these is "paper" between the tiles and the
sub-floor.
> >
> >Was this common practice in the past? I will say that the "paper" made
it
> >easy to pick up the old tiles. The paper is stuck to the subfloor here
and
> >there but most of it scrapes up. The paper didn't seem to absorb
moisture
> >unlike the masonite underlayment that the kitchen the same house used.
> >
> >If I knew what the stuff was, I would be tempted to put down "paper"
again.
>
> Just a guess, maybe there was paper between the tiles in the box they
> came in, and the installer put them down a s a unit.

The paper isn't is 12x12 sections. It seems to cover the floor. I havn't
found joints but I haven't looked hard.

>



Posted by Nancy Young on June 29, 2007, 7:15 pm


> Yesterday, we pulled the 12" square tile squares off a bathroom floor.
> We
> have owned the place for almost 20 year but we don't know how much longer
> than that the tile was in place.
>
> Anyway, it seems that these is "paper" between the tiles and the
> sub-floor.

Maybe they were peel and stick tiles.

nancy



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