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Posted by noel8 on January 4, 2007, 8:30 am
dpb wrote:
> noel8 wrote:
> > dpb wrote:
> > > noel8 wrote:
> > > > I noticed at the switch box of my ceiling fixture, there are 2 black
> > > > wires ( no painted white wire) and
> > > > I get a light lit up on my light tester.. i took a look again at the
> > > > ceiling 2 red wires (no painted white wire there either) and I cannot
> > > > get a reading on either wire by ground. How is this possible? I did
> > > > have a fixture there before.
> > >
> > > Aha! _THERE_ is a switch as surmised but previously undisclosed! :)
> > >
> > > What bam said -- is one (or more) of the reds hot if the switch is on?
> > > Is this a single pole switch or a three (or even a four) way (is there
> > > more than one location that controlled this fixture before or only the
> > > one, iow)? If the latter, then also need to check w/ that other switch
> > > (switches) in the other position.
> > >
> > > All that is now revealed is that you know you have a supply to the
> > > switch and that the others aren't at this point being fed. Still not
> > > enough information to trace the wiring remotely. As noted, still don't
> > > know if this is a single switch or one of two or more, whether these
> > > red wires are part of a three-conductor cable (which would be pretty
> > > indicative of a three-way or more arrangement and so might be
> > > "travelers", not actual feedthroughs, etc., etc.).
> > >
> > > Can only reiterate that at this point when you don't know for absolute
> > > certain the original connections any longer, I think your only real
> > > hope is to get somebody who can diagnose the situation and figure out
> > > what was the original configuration.
> >
> > This is a single switch ..the 2 red wires are the only ones shown in
> > the ceiling and the 2 black are the only ones on the switch. None other
> > are shown. It is not the only one on the circuit, but that switch is
> > only good for that ceiling fixture, which worked perfectly before under
> > those conditions. I just didn't like the globe look, so I myself, took
> > it off and no one has messed with any of the wiring. Its not as
> > complicated as u made it sound. I'm just confused the way those 2reds
> > and 2 blacks were setup. Apparently, it worked just fine. With the
> > power on and I get a light when testing those 2 switch black wires and
> > don't get any when I check those 2 red wires.. where will the power
> > come from, if not from the switch, is my question.
>
> I'm not making it sound complicated, I'm trying to figure out what
> you're describing -- until the last post, you hadn't even confirmed for
> sure there being a switch as best I can recall. I was simply trying to
> elicit sufficient information if possible to understand what might be
> the situation and red isn't a very common wire color for two-wire Romex
> cable, so simply was asking to make sure that there weren't yet more
> factors at play.
>
> Still can't really tell for sure, but seems as though one of the blacks
> must be the feed. But, still not clear whether you're talking of two
> separate black wires at the switch or the two ends of the same black
> wire landed on the switch. The connections at the switch really
> shouldn't have come into play. IIRC, there was also an adjacent
> outlet? I'd suspect the feed came from that direction and then went to
> the light and on to the whatever the others power w/ one sidetrack to
> the switch for the light. But, if the reds are dead, something else
> must not be working, too???? If not, that still makes me wonder their
> real purpose might be undiscovered and something different than you're
> thinking...like another switch.
>
> I don't have any further ideas on how to diagnose this from afar,
> sorry...maybe someone else lurking will take a stab at it. Good luck,
> anyway.
I'm sorry, my intentions were not to offend. Yes, those 2 black wires
seem to be 2 separate black wires as far as i can see, unless i rip up
the jamb where its installed, and the same goes for the red wires.
There are adjacent outlets on this circuit in the kitchen ( 2 ) and
they work perfectly and check out fine with the light tester. Thanks
for your input, and Happy New Year:)
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