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Wire gauge for a certain length and load? chenopod 05-09-2008
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Posted by S. Barker on May 10, 2008, 2:41 am
Get a rental generator of the proper size and put it behind the stage.
You'll never hear it. Save a lot of trouble and cording and such.

s


>I have a few questions that involve simple electrical wire theory, but the
> situation gets a little bit complicated.
>
> I am trying to run an extension cord (or cords) into the woods to power a
> stage, with fairly powerful musical equipment, lights, PA, etc.
>
> I'm assuming the power outlets that will be available are standard
> grounded 120 Volt, hopefully on the heavy duty side. The equipment I'm
> looking to power totals several thousand watts (rated at, lets say, 3000
> W). However, the power draw is not consistent... it fluctuates with how
> hard the equipment is being pushed from moment to moment.
>
> The distance is more than 1000 feet (probably more like 2000 ft). If I
> were to buy a single cord that is suitable for this job, I'm guessing the
> outlet itself would be the limiting factor in terms of resistance and
> heat, and I don't want to start any fires. I'm not even sure if a wire
> that is a large enough gauge would even come with the standard outlet
> plug.
>
> At this power draw and distance, even several 120-V outlets might not do
> the job, if the wire that runs from the power lines to the outlet box (or
> any internal wiring) is not a heavy enough gauge. For this type of job,
> do I need to look into other methods of getting enough power from the pole
> besides running several extension cords?
>
> Does anyone have any specific advice on how to tackle this problem? (i.e.
> what type of gauge wire, how many extension cords, how to correctly tap
> the power lines, etc.)
>
> Your help is most appreciated.
>
> -Dave
>
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Posted by HeyBub on May 10, 2008, 7:59 am
chenopod wrote:
> I have a few questions that involve simple electrical wire theory,
> but the situation gets a little bit complicated.
>
> I am trying to run an extension cord (or cords) into the woods to
> power a stage, with fairly powerful musical equipment, lights, PA,
> etc.
>

Is it really appropriate to use modern, electronic equipment for a
back-to-nature event?

Wouldn't strolling minstrels be better?



Posted by Chris Hill on May 10, 2008, 10:30 am
On 09 May 2008 13:41:15 GMT, snyper333_at_hotmail_dot_com@foo.com
(chenopod) wrote:

>I have a few questions that involve simple electrical wire theory, but the
>situation gets a little bit complicated.
>
>I am trying to run an extension cord (or cords) into the woods to power a
>stage, with fairly powerful musical equipment, lights, PA, etc.
>
>I'm assuming the power outlets that will be available are standard
>grounded 120 Volt, hopefully on the heavy duty side. The equipment I'm
>looking to power totals several thousand watts (rated at, lets say, 3000
>W). However, the power draw is not consistent... it fluctuates with how
>hard the equipment is being pushed from moment to moment.
>
>The distance is more than 1000 feet (probably more like 2000 ft). If I
>were to buy a single cord that is suitable for this job, I'm guessing the
>outlet itself would be the limiting factor in terms of resistance and
>heat, and I don't want to start any fires. I'm not even sure if a wire
>that is a large enough gauge would even come with the standard outlet
>plug.
>
>At this power draw and distance, even several 120-V outlets might not do
>the job, if the wire that runs from the power lines to the outlet box (or
>any internal wiring) is not a heavy enough gauge. For this type of job,
>do I need to look into other methods of getting enough power from the pole
>besides running several extension cords?
>
>Does anyone have any specific advice on how to tackle this problem? (i.e.
>what type of gauge wire, how many extension cords, how to correctly tap
>the power lines, etc.)
>
>Your help is most appreciated.


3kw is at least 30a of 120v current. You could plug it all into two
outlets on two circuit breakers, if you weren't 3000 feet away. Since
you are, there would be a great deal of loss in the lines going back,
and you'd have to run two cords. Your best bet is to rent one large
quiet generator; get 4-5kw so you aren't pushing it too hard. If you
want to buy something, buy a pair of Honda EU 2000 units with the
parallel wiring kit. They are very quiet and will likely last forever
in the use you propose. This would probably be only about double the
price you'd pay for the wiring to do the job with extension cords, and
it would actually work.

Posted by hallerb@aol.com on May 10, 2008, 10:48 am
> On 09 May 2008 13:41:15 GMT, snyper333_at_hotmail_dot_...@foo.com
>
>
>
>
>
> (chenopod) wrote:
> >I have a few questions that involve simple electrical wire theory, but th=
e
> >situation gets a little bit complicated.
>
> >I am trying to run an extension cord (or cords) into the woods to power a=

> >stage, with fairly powerful musical equipment, lights, PA, etc.
>
> >I'm assuming the power outlets that will be available are standard
> >grounded 120 Volt, hopefully on the heavy duty side. The equipment I'm
> >looking to power totals several thousand watts (rated at, lets say, 3000
> >W). =EF=BF=BDHowever, the power draw is not consistent... it fluctuates w=
ith how
> >hard the equipment is being pushed from moment to moment. =EF=BF=BD
>
> >The distance is more than 1000 feet (probably more like 2000 ft). =EF=BF=
=BDIf I
> >were to buy a single cord that is suitable for this job, I'm guessing the=

> >outlet itself would be the limiting factor in terms of resistance and
> >heat, and I don't want to start any fires. =EF=BF=BDI'm not even sure if =
a wire
> >that is a large enough gauge would even come with the standard outlet
> >plug.
>
> >At this power draw and distance, even several 120-V outlets might not do
> >the job, if the wire that runs from the power lines to the outlet box (or=

> >any internal wiring) is not a heavy enough gauge. =EF=BF=BDFor this type =
of job,
> >do I need to look into other methods of getting enough power from the pol=
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> >besides running several extension cords?
>
> >Does anyone have any specific advice on how to tackle this problem? (i.e.=

> >what type of gauge wire, how many extension cords, how to correctly tap
> >the power lines, etc.)
>
> >Your help is most appreciated.
>
> 3kw is at least 30a of 120v current. =EF=BF=BDYou could plug it all into t=
wo
> outlets on two circuit breakers, if you weren't 3000 feet away. =EF=BF=BDS=
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> you are, there would be a great deal of loss in the lines going back,
> and you'd have to run two cords. =EF=BF=BDYour best bet is to rent one lar=
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> quiet generator; get 4-5kw so you aren't pushing it too hard. =EF=BF=BDIf =
you
> want to buy something, buy a pair of Honda EU 2000 units with the
> parallel wiring kit. =EF=BF=BDThey are very quiet and will likely last for=
ever
> in the use you propose. =EF=BF=BDThis would probably be only about double =
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> price you'd pay for the wiring to do the job with extension cords, and
> it would actually work.- Hide quoted text -
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if its a one shot deal, the best bet is a generator.

if its a long term use location direct burial cable, or even get a
quote from the local power company for some poles and a transformer at
the site.

such a estimate should be free.

if you can get a vehicle to the location, and thats likely given the
equiptement used.

a generator powered from a vehicle, or a inverter on a vehicle, or two
inverters on 2 seperate vehicles might be cost effective.

inverters are nice to have around

Posted by Chris Hill on May 10, 2008, 11:16 am
On Sat, 10 May 2008 07:48:41 -0700 (PDT), "hallerb@aol.com"
>
>if its a one shot deal, the best bet is a generator.
>
>if its a long term use location direct burial cable, or even get a
>quote from the local power company for some poles and a transformer at
>the site.

That's the best idea for a long-term venue. Runing cables without a
transformer would require very heavy cables and the cost would be
quite high. By the time you bought and buried the cables for a 110 or
220 volt solution, you could have paid for the generators and you
wouldn't have a trench to fill in.

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