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Wire gauge for a certain length and load? chenopod 05-09-2008
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Posted by HeyBub on May 10, 2008, 6:33 pm
chenopod wrote:
> I have a few questions that involve simple electrical wire theory,
> but the situation gets a little bit complicated.
>
> I am trying to run an extension cord (or cords) into the woods to
> power a stage, with fairly powerful musical equipment, lights, PA,
> etc.
>
> I'm assuming the power outlets that will be available are standard
> grounded 120 Volt, hopefully on the heavy duty side. The equipment I'm
> looking to power totals several thousand watts (rated at, lets say,
> 3000 W). However, the power draw is not consistent... it fluctuates
> with how hard the equipment is being pushed from moment to moment.
>
> The distance is more than 1000 feet (probably more like 2000 ft). If
> I were to buy a single cord that is suitable for this job, I'm
> guessing the outlet itself would be the limiting factor in terms of
> resistance and heat, and I don't want to start any fires. I'm not
> even sure if a wire that is a large enough gauge would even come with
> the standard outlet plug.
>
> At this power draw and distance, even several 120-V outlets might not
> do the job, if the wire that runs from the power lines to the outlet
> box (or any internal wiring) is not a heavy enough gauge. For this
> type of job, do I need to look into other methods of getting enough
> power from the pole besides running several extension cords?
>
> Does anyone have any specific advice on how to tackle this problem?
> (i.e. what type of gauge wire, how many extension cords, how to
> correctly tap the power lines, etc.)
>
> Your help is most appreciated.
>
> -Dave

One walk-in-off-the-street price for 6-3 outdoor wire comes to about $3.50 /
ft. Say 1500 feet, you're talking over $5000.

Buy a trailer-mounted propane powered diesel generator.



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Posted by on May 11, 2008, 7:51 am

>One walk-in-off-the-street price for 6-3 outdoor wire comes to about $3.50 /
>ft. Say 1500 feet, you're talking over $5000.

How much for a couple of used 3 kVA 240-480V transformers and skinnier wire?

Nick


Posted by HeyBub on May 11, 2008, 12:30 pm
nicksanspam@ece.villanova.edu wrote:
>
>> One walk-in-off-the-street price for 6-3 outdoor wire comes to about
>> $3.50 / ft. Say 1500 feet, you're talking over $5000.
>
> How much for a couple of used 3 kVA 240-480V transformers and
> skinnier wire?
>

Dunno. Say half price ($2500). A propane-powered generator is less than
$1000.

e.g.:
http://cgi.ebay.com/3000-WATT-PROPANE-POWER-GENERATOR-EPA-APPROVED-WARRANTY_W0QQitemZ260238859884QQihZ016QQcategoryZ106437QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem



Posted by David Nebenzahl on May 11, 2008, 5:14 pm
On 5/11/2008 4:51 AM nicksanspam@ece.villanova.edu spake thus:

>
>>One walk-in-off-the-street price for 6-3 outdoor wire comes to about $3.50 /
>>ft. Say 1500 feet, you're talking over $5000.
>
> How much for a couple of used 3 kVA 240-480V transformers and skinnier wire?

Interesting idea (and I see someone gave some ballpark figures down yonder).

I'm wondering about losses: how much power would be lost in that pair of
xformers?

In case anyone's wondering why in the world one would want to do this,
it's because the higher the voltage, the skinnier the wire needed to
carry the same (power) load (think high-voltage transmission lines),
with smaller losses due to resistance.


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Posted by hallerb@aol.com on May 11, 2008, 5:35 pm
> On 5/11/2008 4:51 AM nicksans...@ece.villanova.edu spake thus:
>
>
> >>One walk-in-off-the-street price for 6-3 outdoor wire comes to about $3.=
50 /
> >>ft. Say 1500 feet, you're talking over $5000.
>
> > How much for a couple of used 3 kVA 240-480V transformers and skinnier w=
ire?
>
> Interesting idea (and I see someone gave some ballpark figures down yonder=
).
>
> I'm wondering about losses: how much power would be lost in that pair of
> xformers?
>
> In case anyone's wondering why in the world one would want to do this,
> it's because the higher the voltage, the skinnier the wire needed to
> carry the same (power) load (think high-voltage transmission lines),
> with smaller losses due to resistance.
>

transformers are pretty efficent, otherwise power companies wouldnt
use them. I will ask a buddy of mine who used to work for allis
chalmers in the 60s, he was a design engineer for power company
transformers. given their long life many he designed are likely still
in use today.

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