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Posted by bent on June 15, 2008, 1:05 pm
ok now that its been running 1 hr incorrect and 24 hours presumably correct
let me explain the problem. After 1 hr of being connected incorrectly it
shut itself off so I had to study the label more carefully. I then decided
what was wrong it was factory wired for 230V. I now assume "Low Voltage"
means 110V and "High Voltage" means 220V. Originally I never thought I'd
have to re-wire the wires internally to the pump, whatever else happened. I
assumed the label schematic notations were all for the same wires - my house
wires. I though "Brown" was a type of power, not a wire color. There are 4
posts inside (aligned Vertically top to bottom labelled B L1 L2 A) the
weatherproof cover and 2 wires with clips that slide off those posts to the
motor internally which are White and Brown in colour. Then there is the
ground screw which is clearly marked. I supply the wires to the house
(white black green).
So now I know that after I reconnected the Brown and White wires from the
motor internally to the Low Voltage posts (they were on the High Voltage
posts). Origianlly I though White and Brown and L1 and L2 were all labels
for my house wires, and because the schematic for the Low or the High
setting had White and Brown physically above and one was below /vice versa I
thought my only option was to put my house white and black wires either one
way or the other, on the other available 2 (of 4 total binding posts). But
for the Low setting there is a common post. For thiose who understand
motors I tried both my house white and black as either L1 or L2 and it woked
either way (with high pressure flow). Considering the label
"non-reversible. I have two options for white and black L1 and L2. Because
for the Low setting (only) there is a shared post (a wire from both the
motor and house to the same binding post - the motor one is white in colour
and that leaves either white or black from the house, so which one? How
about the white one (not the alternate black one =- though that works with
equal pump pressure too) - this leaves L1 as black (hot). This is how it is
now and been running for a day.
My only other option is black from house to white from motor, not as logical
is it? I have got it right now don't I!? Before I was supplying 110V to
the middle 2 of the 4 posts, but factory wired for High V with the Brown
motor wire on bottom as schematic (and white house to L2 as per Low in
schematic). Why was it running slow and why did it trip the GFCI? the pump
is "Thermally protected" too.
Originally I never saw the Brwon and White pump wires, nor could I figure
why they labelled all house wiring only as "L1" and "L2".
This is the schematic:
Low V High V
Brown O B White
O L1
White O L2
O A Brown
So now I have pump wiring as on left and my black house as L1, and my white
house as shared white (white house to white pump). Good?
It works the other way too! Why? Same as reversing the white and black
plug on an extention cord? Is either way just as good (in this wiring
hardware question)
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Posted by RBM on June 15, 2008, 1:53 pm
> ok now that its been running 1 hr incorrect and 24 hours presumably
> correct let me explain the problem. After 1 hr of being connected
> incorrectly it shut itself off so I had to study the label more carefully.
> I then decided what was wrong it was factory wired for 230V. I now assume
> "Low Voltage" means 110V and "High Voltage" means 220V. Originally I
> never thought I'd have to re-wire the wires internally to the pump,
> whatever else happened. I assumed the label schematic notations were all
> for the same wires - my house wires. I though "Brown" was a type of
> power, not a wire color. There are 4 posts inside (aligned Vertically top
> to bottom labelled B L1 L2 A) the weatherproof cover and 2 wires with
> clips that slide off those posts to the motor internally which are White
> and Brown in colour. Then there is the ground screw which is clearly
> marked. I supply the wires to the house (white black green).
> So now I know that after I reconnected the Brown and White wires from the
> motor internally to the Low Voltage posts (they were on the High Voltage
> posts). Origianlly I though White and Brown and L1 and L2 were all labels
> for my house wires, and because the schematic for the Low or the High
> setting had White and Brown physically above and one was below /vice versa
> I thought my only option was to put my house white and black wires either
> one way or the other, on the other available 2 (of 4 total binding posts).
> But for the Low setting there is a common post. For thiose who understand
> motors I tried both my house white and black as either L1 or L2 and it
> woked either way (with high pressure flow). Considering the label
> "non-reversible. I have two options for white and black L1 and L2.
> Because for the Low setting (only) there is a shared post (a wire from
> both the motor and house to the same binding post - the motor one is white
> in colour and that leaves either white or black from the house, so which
> one? How about the white one (not the alternate black one =- though that
> works with equal pump pressure too) - this leaves L1 as black (hot). This
> is how it is now and been running for a day.
> My only other option is black from house to white from motor, not as
> logical is it? I have got it right now don't I!? Before I was supplying
> 110V to the middle 2 of the 4 posts, but factory wired for High V with the
> Brown motor wire on bottom as schematic (and white house to L2 as per Low
> in schematic). Why was it running slow and why did it trip the GFCI? the
> pump is "Thermally protected" too.
> Originally I never saw the Brwon and White pump wires, nor could I figure
> why they labelled all house wiring only as "L1" and "L2".
> This is the schematic:
> Low V High V
> Brown O B White
> O L1
> White O L2
> O A Brown
> So now I have pump wiring as on left and my black house as L1, and my
> white house as shared white (white house to white pump). Good?
> It works the other way too! Why? Same as reversing the white and black
> plug on an extention cord? Is either way just as good (in this wiring
> hardware question)
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If the factory had set up the pump for 120 volt and you connected it to 240
volt, you'd be begging for a refund on a burnt out motor. There is obviously
more tolerance connecting a motor wired for 240 volt connected to a 120 volt
circuit. Still you got lucky. Typically L1 of a 120 volt circuit is the hot
and L2, the neutral, but it would work connected in reverse
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Posted by bent on June 15, 2008, 4:27 pm
While we are on the topic. I understand that 110V in a fuse box is all
there is available to connect to. Its a rail. If you want 220V you have to
use 2x 110V. Can't remember if there are 2 rails, or how it works.
Probably. Anyways, with a 110V std. wall plug you have the hot (black),
neutral (I have just learned by poster above) the white is "neutral", forgot
what it was, but it kinda explains what it does (or not), ground is into
the earth via rod pounded into earth and plumbing pipes used etc. So a 110V
needs 3 wires. Since 220V has 2 x 110V does not a 220V ned by definition 4
conductors. I know my dryer plug has 4 conductors because its got a 4-prong
plug. If I needed to be sure if my wire out from house was a 110V couldn't
I at the very most check it by counting the number of wires through to and
in the sleeve and boxes the cable was connected to (magnifying glass etc.)
Or might a 220V only have 3 wires as here?
My problem here was obviously I was (could) not read the schematic, until it
died after 1 hr itself, at which point I knew something in my (lack of)
thnking wasn't right.
oh, btw, between the pump and the wires out of the ground from the house
each year we disconnect not the pump but a weatherproof swirch box and bring
it inside, wrapping the wiring from the elements and leaving the pump itself
wired up to the box inside. What if I did ground to ground (screwed onto
steel box), black to black (marette), and white to one side of 2-screw
switch, and the other white to the other screw of that 2-screw switch. I
think someone here said to switch black, not white as I did. I will do
black next year. Is it bad to wait a few months. What could happen e.g
GFCI and all?
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Posted by RBM on June 15, 2008, 4:52 pm
> While we are on the topic. I understand that 110V in a fuse box is all
> there is available to connect to. Its a rail. If you want 220V you have
> to use 2x 110V. Can't remember if there are 2 rails, or how it works.
> Probably. Anyways, with a 110V std. wall plug you have the hot (black),
> neutral (I have just learned by poster above) the white is "neutral",
> forgot what it was, but it kinda explains what it does (or not), ground
> is into the earth via rod pounded into earth and plumbing pipes used etc.
> So a 110V needs 3 wires. Since 220V has 2 x 110V does not a 220V ned by
> definition 4 conductors. I know my dryer plug has 4 conductors because
> its got a 4-prong plug. If I needed to be sure if my wire out from house
> was a 110V couldn't I at the very most check it by counting the number of
> wires through to and in the sleeve and boxes the cable was connected to
> (magnifying glass etc.) Or might a 220V only have 3 wires as here?
> My problem here was obviously I was (could) not read the schematic, until
> it died after 1 hr itself, at which point I knew something in my (lack of)
> thnking wasn't right.
> oh, btw, between the pump and the wires out of the ground from the house
> each year we disconnect not the pump but a weatherproof swirch box and
> bring it inside, wrapping the wiring from the elements and leaving the
> pump itself wired up to the box inside. What if I did ground to ground
> (screwed onto steel box), black to black (marette), and white to one side
> of 2-screw switch, and the other white to the other screw of that 2-screw
> switch. I think someone here said to switch black, not white as I did. I
> will do black next year. Is it bad to wait a few months. What could
> happen e.g GFCI and all?
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Yes, 120 volt circuits connect to one leg of hot buss in the panel and the
neutral bar, a ground is also required, which connects to the ground bar,
which is in some cases the same as the neutral bar. 240 volt circuits
connect to 2 legs of the hot buss, and also require a ground. Your electric
dryer only has 4 wires because it uses both 120 and 240 volts, which is why
it has a neutral. Straight 240 volt circuits will only have the current
carrying conductors and a ground. If you don't have an electrical tester,
you can determine a 120 volt circuit from a 240, by the single pole or
double pole breaker its attached to
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Posted by Stormin Mormon on June 16, 2008, 7:37 pm
I'm trying to imagine you, as a surgeon.
While we are on the topic. I understand that arterial blood in a vessel is
all
there is available to connect to. Its a rail. If you want blood pressure
you have to
use 2x artery. Can't remember if there are 2 veins, or how it works.
Probably. Anyways, with a body organ you have the hot (artery),
neutral (I have just learned by poster above) the vein is "neutral", forgot
what it was, but it kinda explains what it does (or not), ground is into
the body via lymph system. So a kidney
needs 3 wires. Since blood pressure has 2 x artery does not intestines need
by definition 4
conductors. I know my sciatica has 4 conductors because its got a 4-prong
plug. If I needed to be sure if my wire out from house was a 110V couldn't
I at the very most check it by counting the number of arteries through to
and
in the sleeve and boxes the cable was connected to (magnifying glass etc.)
Or might a 220V only have 3 wires as here?
My problem here was obviously I was (could) not read the schematic, until it
died after 1 hr itself, at which point I knew something in my (lack of)
thnking wasn't right.
oh, btw, between the pump and the wires out of the ground from the house
each year we disconnect not the pump but a weatherproof swirch box and bring
it inside, wrapping the wiring from the elements and leaving the pump itself
wired up to the box inside. What if I did ground to ground (screwed onto
steel box), black to black (marette), and white to one side of 2-screw
switch, and the other white to the other screw of that 2-screw switch. I
think someone here said to switch black, not white as I did. I will do
black next year. Is it bad to wait a few months. What could happen e.g
GFCI and all? Will my patient live?
--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
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While we are on the topic. I understand that 110V in a fuse box is all
there is available to connect to. Its a rail. If you want 220V you have to
use 2x 110V. Can't remember if there are 2 rails, or how it works.
Probably. Anyways, with a 110V std. wall plug you have the hot (black),
neutral (I have just learned by poster above) the white is "neutral", forgot
what it was, but it kinda explains what it does (or not), ground is into
the earth via rod pounded into earth and plumbing pipes used etc. So a 110V
needs 3 wires. Since 220V has 2 x 110V does not a 220V ned by definition 4
conductors. I know my dryer plug has 4 conductors because its got a 4-prong
plug. If I needed to be sure if my wire out from house was a 110V couldn't
I at the very most check it by counting the number of wires through to and
in the sleeve and boxes the cable was connected to (magnifying glass etc.)
Or might a 220V only have 3 wires as here?
My problem here was obviously I was (could) not read the schematic, until it
died after 1 hr itself, at which point I knew something in my (lack of)
thnking wasn't right.
oh, btw, between the pump and the wires out of the ground from the house
each year we disconnect not the pump but a weatherproof swirch box and bring
it inside, wrapping the wiring from the elements and leaving the pump itself
wired up to the box inside. What if I did ground to ground (screwed onto
steel box), black to black (marette), and white to one side of 2-screw
switch, and the other white to the other screw of that 2-screw switch. I
think someone here said to switch black, not white as I did. I will do
black next year. Is it bad to wait a few months. What could happen e.g
GFCI and all?
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> correct let me explain the problem. After 1 hr of being connected
> incorrectly it shut itself off so I had to study the label more carefully.
> I then decided what was wrong it was factory wired for 230V. I now assume
> "Low Voltage" means 110V and "High Voltage" means 220V. Originally I
> never thought I'd have to re-wire the wires internally to the pump,
> whatever else happened. I assumed the label schematic notations were all
> for the same wires - my house wires. I though "Brown" was a type of
> power, not a wire color. There are 4 posts inside (aligned Vertically top
> to bottom labelled B L1 L2 A) the weatherproof cover and 2 wires with
> clips that slide off those posts to the motor internally which are White
> and Brown in colour. Then there is the ground screw which is clearly
> marked. I supply the wires to the house (white black green).
> So now I know that after I reconnected the Brown and White wires from the
> motor internally to the Low Voltage posts (they were on the High Voltage
> posts). Origianlly I though White and Brown and L1 and L2 were all labels
> for my house wires, and because the schematic for the Low or the High
> setting had White and Brown physically above and one was below /vice versa
> I thought my only option was to put my house white and black wires either
> one way or the other, on the other available 2 (of 4 total binding posts).
> But for the Low setting there is a common post. For thiose who understand
> motors I tried both my house white and black as either L1 or L2 and it
> woked either way (with high pressure flow). Considering the label
> "non-reversible. I have two options for white and black L1 and L2.
> Because for the Low setting (only) there is a shared post (a wire from
> both the motor and house to the same binding post - the motor one is white
> in colour and that leaves either white or black from the house, so which
> one? How about the white one (not the alternate black one =- though that
> works with equal pump pressure too) - this leaves L1 as black (hot). This
> is how it is now and been running for a day.
> My only other option is black from house to white from motor, not as
> logical is it? I have got it right now don't I!? Before I was supplying
> 110V to the middle 2 of the 4 posts, but factory wired for High V with the
> Brown motor wire on bottom as schematic (and white house to L2 as per Low
> in schematic). Why was it running slow and why did it trip the GFCI? the
> pump is "Thermally protected" too.
> Originally I never saw the Brwon and White pump wires, nor could I figure
> why they labelled all house wiring only as "L1" and "L2".
> This is the schematic:
> Low V High V
> Brown O B White
> O L1
> White O L2
> O A Brown
> So now I have pump wiring as on left and my black house as L1, and my
> white house as shared white (white house to white pump). Good?
> It works the other way too! Why? Same as reversing the white and black
> plug on an extention cord? Is either way just as good (in this wiring
> hardware question)
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