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Wiring question? david 09-05-2006
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Posted by david on September 5, 2006, 10:10 am
In my garage i noticed a 15 Amp receptacle connected to a run that had
a 20 AMP breaker on the main electrical panel. Is this normal?

The wire used was 12-2. The receptacle is the last electrical device
on the run. The 20AMP circuit also feed the garage door.

Thanks


Posted by RayV on September 5, 2006, 10:26 am

david wrote:
> In my garage i noticed a 15 Amp receptacle connected to a run that had
> a 20 AMP breaker on the main electrical panel. Is this normal?
>
> The wire used was 12-2. The receptacle is the last electrical device
> on the run. The 20AMP circuit also feed the garage door.
>
> Thanks

Yes, it is 'normal' but not correct. Standard outlets are a lot
cheaper than 20A outlets and that is probably why it was done. Change
the outlet to a 20A outlet.


Posted by Doug Miller on September 5, 2006, 10:37 am
>
>david wrote:
>> In my garage i noticed a 15 Amp receptacle connected to a run that had
>> a 20 AMP breaker on the main electrical panel. Is this normal?
>>
>> The wire used was 12-2. The receptacle is the last electrical device
>> on the run. The 20AMP circuit also feed the garage door.
>>
>> Thanks
>
>Yes, it is 'normal' but not correct.

Sorry, but you're wrong. Use of 15A receptacles on a 20A circuit is
explicitly permitted under the National Electrical Code.
[2005 NEC, Article 210.21(B)(3) and accompanying table]

> Standard outlets are a lot
>cheaper than 20A outlets and that is probably why it was done.

Well, that, and the facts that (a) it's Code-compliant, and (b) 20A
receptacles probably were not necessary on that circuit.

>Change the outlet to a 20A outlet.

Nonsense. There's no reason to change it, because there's nothing wrong with
it.

--
Regards,
Doug Miller (alphageek at milmac dot com)

It's time to throw all their damned tea in the harbor again.

Posted by RayV on September 5, 2006, 2:04 pm

Doug Miller wrote:
> >
> >david wrote:
> >> In my garage i noticed a 15 Amp receptacle connected to a run that had
> >> a 20 AMP breaker on the main electrical panel. Is this normal?
> >>
> >> The wire used was 12-2. The receptacle is the last electrical device
> >> on the run. The 20AMP circuit also feed the garage door.
> >>
> >> Thanks
> >
> >Yes, it is 'normal' but not correct.
>
> Sorry, but you're wrong. Use of 15A receptacles on a 20A circuit is
> explicitly permitted under the National Electrical Code.
> [2005 NEC, Article 210.21(B)(3) and accompanying table]
>
Sorry, I thought the OP was in Northbrook, Il or one of the many other
locales that require a 20A receptacle on a 20A circuit.
http://www.northbrook.il.us/files/document/Electrical%20Amendments%20Final%20Version%20no%20black%20lines%201-30-06.htm

Isn't a garage a likely place to have an appliance that draws more than
15amps but has a standard plug? Or is it safe to assume that the 15A
outlet can handle more than 15 amps? My table saw has a standard 3
prong plug but draws more than 15 amps on start up, and possibly under
heavy load. Other garage appliances like a bench grinder can also draw
more than 15 amps for a longer period of time.

What is the reasoning for requiring a 20A receptacle on a 20A circuit
if it is the only receptacle but allowing multiple 15A outlets on a
single 20A circuit?


Posted by Doug Miller on September 5, 2006, 2:38 pm
>
>Doug Miller wrote:
>> >
>> >david wrote:
>> >> In my garage i noticed a 15 Amp receptacle connected to a run that had
>> >> a 20 AMP breaker on the main electrical panel. Is this normal?
>> >>
>> >> The wire used was 12-2. The receptacle is the last electrical device
>> >> on the run. The 20AMP circuit also feed the garage door.
>> >>
>> >> Thanks
>> >
>> >Yes, it is 'normal' but not correct.
>>
>> Sorry, but you're wrong. Use of 15A receptacles on a 20A circuit is
>> explicitly permitted under the National Electrical Code.
>> [2005 NEC, Article 210.21(B)(3) and accompanying table]
>>
>Sorry, I thought the OP was in Northbrook, Il or one of the many other
>locales that require a 20A receptacle on a 20A circuit.

While 20A outlets may be required by various local codes, this is not a
general requirement.
>
>Isn't a garage a likely place to have an appliance that draws more than
>15amps but has a standard plug?

Any appliance that draws more than 15A as a continuous load will not have a
"standard" (i.e. 15A) plug -- it will have a 20A plug.

>Or is it safe to assume that the 15A
>outlet can handle more than 15 amps?

For a short time, sure. Continuous load, no way.

>My table saw has a standard 3
>prong plug but draws more than 15 amps on start up, and possibly under
>heavy load. Other garage appliances like a bench grinder can also draw
>more than 15 amps for a longer period of time.

Must be a heck of a bench grinder... And I'll bet that if you look at the
owner's manual for your table saw, it recommends a 20A circuit.
>
>What is the reasoning for requiring a 20A receptacle on a 20A circuit
>if it is the only receptacle but allowing multiple 15A outlets on a
>single 20A circuit?
>
I think the idea there is that the single receptacle implies a dedicated
circuit, and if the circuit supplying a dedicated load is 20A then the
receptacle should be also.

--
Regards,
Doug Miller (alphageek at milmac dot com)

It's time to throw all their damned tea in the harbor again.

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