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Wood Fence/ Gate / Post Question Roy Baldone 07-19-2008
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Posted by Roy Baldone on July 19, 2008, 2:28 pm


My heavy wooden gate fell off its mounting, completely ripping out the
screw(Bolts?) that held it.
Upon closer inspection, the screws that ran through the hinges were
not sunk into the post (something like a 6''x6''x6foot above ground)
but sunk into the board that ran from one post to another and held the
slats that made up the fence.

The gate is pretty heavy at least 6 foot x 6 foot.

What I want to do is put a "buddy" post next to the one that should be
holding the gate up. Because of the way things fit, the screws from
the hinges will not sink into the main post.
I thought of getting another large post and running it next to the
main post but NOT sinking it into the ground because the main post's
concrete will not allow this.

I was going to glue the second post to the first using something like
liquid nails and run several long threaded bolts completely through
the two post after pre drilling holes, then secure them with nuts and
washers on both sides.
Or should I use just a large boltscrew (no idea what they are called,
maybe just screws) to secure it.
I don't know what would be sufficient to hold them together.

The 2x4 running from post to post held the gate up for 10 - 15 years,
but is split all to hell when the screws ripped out. The gates
FAILURE was NO DOUBT aided by the climbing of 2 children that thought
this easier then opening the gate.

Another possibility is just to replace the 2x4, with either the same,
or a doubled 2x4.

However, I do not want to do a half assed job making a repair that
just "will do."

If there is somewhere I could upload a picture I would be more then
willing. That would be better then another 661 words.

Any advice, suggestions or general ideas?
I not the best D.I.Y'er but I can DIM when I need to.

Thanks
Roy

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Posted by BobK207 on July 19, 2008, 3:01 pm


> My heavy wooden gate fell off its mounting, completely ripping out the
> screw(Bolts?) that held it.
> Upon closer inspection, the screws that ran through the hinges were
> not sunk into the post (something like a 6''x6''x6foot above ground)
> but sunk into the board that ran from one post to another and held the
> slats that made up the fence.
>
> The gate is pretty heavy at least 6 foot x 6 foot.
>
> What I want to do is put a "buddy" post next to the one that should be
> holding the gate up. =A0Because of the way things fit, the screws from
> the hinges will not sink into the main post.
> I thought of getting another large post and running it next to the
> main post but NOT sinking it into the ground because the main post's
> concrete will not allow this.
>
> I was going to glue the second post to the first using something like
> liquid nails and run several long threaded bolts completely through
> the two post after pre drilling holes, then secure them with nuts and
> washers on both sides.
> Or should I use just a large boltscrew (no idea what they are called,
> maybe just screws) to secure it.
> I don't know what would be sufficient to hold them together.
>
> The 2x4 running from post to post held the gate up for 10 - 15 years,
> but is split all to hell when the screws ripped out. =A0The gates
> FAILURE was NO DOUBT aided by the climbing of 2 children that thought
> this easier then opening the gate.
>
> Another possibility is just to replace the 2x4, with either the same,
> or a doubled 2x4.
>
> However, I do not want to do a half assed job making a repair that
> just "will do."
>
> If there is somewhere I could upload a picture I would be more then
> willing. That would be better then another 661 words.
>
> Any advice, suggestions or general ideas?
> I not the best D.I.Y'er but I can DIM when I need to.
>
> Thanks
> Roy

Roy-

We really need a photo

One of the alt.home.repair regulars, Speedy Jim, gave this info a
while back


Get a free account here:
http://photobucket.com/
to upload photos to.
Then simply post the Link in your newsgroup message.

You can also use it to "send" photos to family/friends
without the wasteful e-mail attachments.

Jim


cheers
Bob

Posted by David Nebenzahl on July 19, 2008, 3:15 pm


On 7/19/2008 11:28 AM Roy Baldone spake thus:

> What I want to do is put a "buddy" post next to the one that should
> be holding the gate up. Because of the way things fit, the screws
> from the hinges will not sink into the main post. I thought of
> getting another large post and running it next to the main post but
> NOT sinking it into the ground because the main post's concrete will
> not allow this.
>
> I was going to glue the second post to the first using something like
> liquid nails and run several long threaded bolts completely through
> the two post after pre drilling holes, then secure them with nuts and
> washers on both sides.
> Or should I use just a large boltscrew (no idea what they are called,
> maybe just screws) to secure it.
> I don't know what would be sufficient to hold them together.

What you're proposing is called "sistering", doubling up a structural
member. Can often work to strengthen things (but as someone else pointed
out, pictures, or a better description of the entire fence/gate, would
help.)

But forget the glue: hardware alone will secure the sistered post to the
original one. Glue won't do any good. Either through-bolts as you
describe (bolt/nut/washer), or use a lag screw, which is what I think
you're describing: basically a big wood screw with a thick shank and a
hex head for using a wrench.


--
"Wikipedia ... it reminds me ... of dogs barking idiotically through
endless nights. It is so bad that a sort of grandeur creeps into it.
It drags itself out of the dark abyss of pish, and crawls insanely up
the topmost pinnacle of posh. It is rumble and bumble. It is flap and
doodle. It is balder and dash."

- With apologies to H. L. Mencken

Posted by cshenk on July 19, 2008, 3:27 pm


"David Nebenzahl" wrote

> But forget the glue: hardware alone will secure the sistered post to the
> original one. Glue won't do any good. Either through-bolts as you describe
> (bolt/nut/washer), or use a lag screw, which is what I think you're
> describing: basically a big wood screw with a thick shank and a hex head
> for using a wrench.

Perhaps he meant the glue to just hold the post up in place until he added
the through-bolts?



Posted by Oren on July 19, 2008, 3:29 pm



>"David Nebenzahl" wrote
>
>> But forget the glue: hardware alone will secure the sistered post to the
>> original one. Glue won't do any good. Either through-bolts as you describe
>> (bolt/nut/washer), or use a lag screw, which is what I think you're
>> describing: basically a big wood screw with a thick shank and a hex head
>> for using a wrench.
>
>Perhaps he meant the glue to just hold the post up in place until he added
>the through-bolts?
>

Use a clamp, if can't hold a piece of lumber and insert a bolt...

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