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Posted by Brian V on March 24, 2007, 8:51 am
Hey guys,
Usually we hear "Ive added some kind of flooring now my flange is too low,
what can I do?". I've got the opposite question now...go figure, tis the way
my projects seem to go!
Gutting a bath, 1st floor. The original floor was 4 layers. Got the joists,
on top of that 3/4x8 planking, on top of that I had 3/4 ply, on top of that
I had 1/4 luan, then tile on top of that.
Ripping out everything down to the 3/4x8 planks. Plan on toping that with
3/4 ply, then 1/4" underlayment, then vinyl. This is going to put the flange
about 1/8" to 1/4" higher that the flooring.
Seems like I got a couple of options.
1, Add another layer of 1/4" underlayment.
2, Just add an extra bit of 1/4" under the flange so it's supported.
3, Cut out the cast, go with PVC. Obviously not a choice I'm particularly
fond of. Current flange is almost 50 years old, but looks clean as heck,
very surprised at how good it looks.
I guess my question is if I choose option 2 will the flange being higher
than the floor affect the toilet being secure? Looking at the toilet it
appears that the part that goes in to the flange is a bit recessed than the
base which sits on the floor.
Ideas, thoughts?
Thanks,
-Brian
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Posted by Roger Shoaf on March 24, 2007, 9:11 am
This is going to put the flange
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> about 1/8" to 1/4" higher that the flooring.
> Seems like I got a couple of options.
> 1, Add another layer of 1/4" underlayment.
> 2, Just add an extra bit of 1/4" under the flange so it's supported.
> 3, Cut out the cast, go with PVC. Obviously not a choice I'm particularly
> fond of. Current flange is almost 50 years old, but looks clean as heck,
> very surprised at how good it looks.
> I guess my question is if I choose option 2 will the flange being higher
> than the floor affect the toilet being secure? Looking at the toilet it
> appears that the part that goes in to the flange is a bit recessed than
the
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> base which sits on the floor.
First thing I would do is look at the bottom of your toilet. Usually the
flange will fit completely within the base, and the outflow will sit inside
the flange so I don't see a problem.
Try setting the toilet base over the flange and if it sits flush to your
floor with out rocking you are good to go. All I see is that you might have
to trim a little more than usual off the threaded part of the tee bolts so
you can get the nut covers on but that is not really a problem.
--
Roger Shoaf
About the time I had mastered getting the toothpaste back in the tube, then
they come up with this striped stuff.
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Posted by Speedy Jim on March 24, 2007, 9:27 am
Roger Shoaf wrote:
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>
> This is going to put the flange
>
>>about 1/8" to 1/4" higher that the flooring.
>>Seems like I got a couple of options.
>>1, Add another layer of 1/4" underlayment.
>>2, Just add an extra bit of 1/4" under the flange so it's supported.
>>3, Cut out the cast, go with PVC. Obviously not a choice I'm particularly
>>fond of. Current flange is almost 50 years old, but looks clean as heck,
>>very surprised at how good it looks.
>>I guess my question is if I choose option 2 will the flange being higher
>>than the floor affect the toilet being secure? Looking at the toilet it
>>appears that the part that goes in to the flange is a bit recessed than
>
> the
>
>>base which sits on the floor.
>
>
> First thing I would do is look at the bottom of your toilet. Usually the
> flange will fit completely within the base, and the outflow will sit inside
> the flange so I don't see a problem.
>
> Try setting the toilet base over the flange and if it sits flush to your
> floor with out rocking you are good to go. All I see is that you might have
> to trim a little more than usual off the threaded part of the tee bolts so
> you can get the nut covers on but that is not really a problem.
>
I agree with Roger on this. Do not disturb the cast iron work.
You really should have at least 3/8" or so of clearance from the
top of the flange to the bottom of the bowl. That's the space the
wax will be squished into. If it's too thin, there is a much greater
chance that the seal won't last. You might also consider one of the
"rubber" seals available now instead of wax.
Jim
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Posted by Harry K on March 24, 2007, 9:51 am
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> Roger Shoaf wrote:
> > This is going to put the flange
> >>about 1/8" to 1/4" higher that the flooring.
> >>Seems like I got a couple of options.
> >>1, Add another layer of 1/4" underlayment.
> >>2, Just add an extra bit of 1/4" under the flange so it's supported.
> >>3, Cut out the cast, go with PVC. Obviously not a choice I'm particularly
> >>fond of. Current flange is almost 50 years old, but looks clean as heck,
> >>very surprised at how good it looks.
> >>I guess my question is if I choose option 2 will the flange being higher
> >>than the floor affect the toilet being secure? Looking at the toilet it
> >>appears that the part that goes in to the flange is a bit recessed than
> > the
> >>base which sits on the floor.
> > First thing I would do is look at the bottom of your toilet. Usually the
> > flange will fit completely within the base, and the outflow will sit inside
> > the flange so I don't see a problem.
> > Try setting the toilet base over the flange and if it sits flush to your
> > floor with out rocking you are good to go. All I see is that you might have
> > to trim a little more than usual off the threaded part of the tee bolts so
> > you can get the nut covers on but that is not really a problem.
> I agree with Roger on this. Do not disturb the cast iron work.
> You really should have at least 3/8" or so of clearance from the
> top of the flange to the bottom of the bowl. That's the space the
> wax will be squished into. If it's too thin, there is a much greater
> chance that the seal won't last. You might also consider one of the
> "rubber" seals available now instead of wax.
> Jim- Hide quoted text -
> - Show quoted text -
If the 'wax clearance' is limited, go to a Fernco Waxless Seal.
Actually, after replacing a toilet last summer using one, I will never
again use a wax seal.
Harry K
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Posted by Brian V on March 24, 2007, 11:21 am
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>> Hey guys,
>> Usually we hear "Ive added some kind of flooring now my flange is too
>> low, what can I do?". I've got the opposite question now...go figure, tis
>> the way my projects seem to go!
>> Gutting a bath, 1st floor. The original floor was 4 layers. Got the
>> joists, on top of that 3/4x8 planking, on top of that I had 3/4 ply, on
>> top of that I had 1/4 luan, then tile on top of that.
>> Ripping out everything down to the 3/4x8 planks. Plan on toping that with
>> 3/4 ply, then 1/4" underlayment, then vinyl. This is going to put the
>> flange about 1/8" to 1/4" higher that the flooring.
>> Seems like I got a couple of options.
>> 1, Add another layer of 1/4" underlayment.
>> 2, Just add an extra bit of 1/4" under the flange so it's supported.
>> 3, Cut out the cast, go with PVC. Obviously not a choice I'm particularly
>> fond of. Current flange is almost 50 years old, but looks clean as heck,
>> very surprised at how good it looks.
>> I guess my question is if I choose option 2 will the flange being higher
>> than the floor affect the toilet being secure? Looking at the toilet it
>> appears that the part that goes in to the flange is a bit recessed than
>> the base which sits on the floor.
>> Ideas, thoughts?
>> Thanks,
>> -Brian
> 1/8 to 1/4 that sounds perfect to me. or you could go with a 3/8"
> undelayment ( witch is better) then add about 1/8 for you vinly now you
> got that pesky 1/4 made up. but what do I know I'm just a plumber.
LOL, me neither! I should raise it up a couple more inches and make it a
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real throne! <G>
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> Seems like I got a couple of options.
> 1, Add another layer of 1/4" underlayment.
> 2, Just add an extra bit of 1/4" under the flange so it's supported.
> 3, Cut out the cast, go with PVC. Obviously not a choice I'm particularly
> fond of. Current flange is almost 50 years old, but looks clean as heck,
> very surprised at how good it looks.
> I guess my question is if I choose option 2 will the flange being higher
> than the floor affect the toilet being secure? Looking at the toilet it
> appears that the part that goes in to the flange is a bit recessed than