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Your Opinion Of KVAR Energy Controller Jack W 05-28-2008
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Posted by Jack W on May 28, 2008, 12:37 pm
The guy who sold us a whole house generator, a man whom I trust, is
now pushing KVAR EC. He purchased two ($650 each) and has saved 3,487
kwH from March-to-March. (He sent photocopies of his electric bills.)
He's offering these units at $450 each, uninstalled.

Is this a good deal, guys? Is it a worthwhile product? Thanks.

Posted by bud-- on May 28, 2008, 5:32 pm
Jack W wrote:
> The guy who sold us a whole house generator, a man whom I trust, is
> now pushing KVAR EC. He purchased two ($650 each) and has saved 3,487
> kwH from March-to-March. (He sent photocopies of his electric bills.)
> He's offering these units at $450 each, uninstalled.
>
> Is this a good deal, guys? Is it a worthwhile product? Thanks.

Perhaps you could provide a link with information.


KVAR commonly refers to "reactive" power (kilo-volt-amps reactive).
Assuming that is what you are talking about:
Industrial power users often have a KVAR meter (in addition to a
WattHour meter)and pay a penalty for the reactive power they 'use'.
Power factor correction can lower the penalty.

Residential users do not pay a penalty for reactive power. Watt meters
do not measure reactive power. Power factor correction for residential
offers negligible advantage.

--
bud--

Posted by HeyBub on May 28, 2008, 6:16 pm
bud-- wrote:
> Jack W wrote:
>> The guy who sold us a whole house generator, a man whom I trust, is
>> now pushing KVAR EC. He purchased two ($650 each) and has saved
>> 3,487 kwH from March-to-March. (He sent photocopies of his electric
>> bills.) He's offering these units at $450 each, uninstalled.
>>
>> Is this a good deal, guys? Is it a worthwhile product? Thanks.
>
> Perhaps you could provide a link with information.
>
>
> KVAR commonly refers to "reactive" power (kilo-volt-amps reactive).
> Assuming that is what you are talking about:
> Industrial power users often have a KVAR meter (in addition to a
> WattHour meter)and pay a penalty for the reactive power they 'use'.
> Power factor correction can lower the penalty.
>
> Residential users do not pay a penalty for reactive power. Watt meters
> do not measure reactive power. Power factor correction for residential
> offers negligible advantage.

Right a Watt-Hour meter treats reactive loads like resistive load - the
meter can't tell the difference. But the load of a large motor - like an AC
compressor - is mostly reactive (the resistance is negligible). If you can
vanish the reactive load, you get your AC for free. Supposedly.

Here's their website:
http://www.kvarec.com/com_units.htm

There's even a few on Ebay for about $270
http://search.ebay.com/search/search.dll?from=R40&_trksid=m37&satitle=kvar&category0=

Here's a video of the thing in operation
http://cgi.ebay.com/KVAR-Save-up-to-25-on-your-ELECTRIC-BILL-4-LIFE_W0QQitemZ110255587933QQihZ001QQcategoryZ87087QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

I, for one, would welcome comments from those more knowledgeable than I.




Posted by on May 28, 2008, 8:10 pm

>... a Watt-Hour meter treats reactive loads like resistive load - the
>meter can't tell the difference.

Wrong.

>... the load of a large motor - like an AC compressor - is mostly reactive
>(the resistance is negligible). If you can vanish the reactive load,
>you get your AC for free. Supposedly.

Wrong.

Nick


Posted by Edwin Pawlowski on May 28, 2008, 9:35 pm

>
>>... a Watt-Hour meter treats reactive loads like resistive load - the
>>meter can't tell the difference.
>
> Wrong.
>
>>... the load of a large motor - like an AC compressor - is mostly reactive
>>(the resistance is negligible). If you can vanish the reactive load,
>>you get your AC for free. Supposedly.
>
> Wrong.
>
> Nick
>
And thank you for explaining what is correct. Or does your tiny brain just
like to show off your "superior" knowledge of all things?



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