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ball valve for washer supply lines dakota2112 04-30-2008
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Posted by DerbyDad03 on May 1, 2008, 4:05 pm
On May 1, 10:38=A0am, "Stormin Mormon"
> The purpose for ball valves is to allow full, unrestricted water flow. If
> you put one inline with an angle or globe valve, you've still got the
> restriction of the other valve. What do you accomplish? Not much.
>
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>
> Like many others, I want to replace the gate valves on my washer
> supply lines with proper ball valves. =A0I'm comfortable with sweating
> copper pipes where I have good access, which I do not have in this
> case. =A0So what I'd like to do if possible is put a ball valve directly
> on the outlet of each existing gate valve, and then attach my supply
> hoses to the ball valve outlets respectively - all using threaded
> components.
>
> I realize this will involve a variety of adapters and fittings, if
> it's even possible at all. =A0Can someone privy to plumbing terminology
> help me come up with a bill of materials to hand to the local parts
> counter? =A0Or are there compelling reasons not to do it this way?
>
> Thanks!
> dakota2112

re: What do you accomplish? Not much.

A ball valve would accomplish what the OP wants to accomplish:

The ability to shut off the water after each use without messing with
the current gate valves, for fear of them leaking due to not being
used for many years.

I don't think that restricted flow is anything that the OP is
concerned with.

Posted by dakota2112 on May 2, 2008, 8:16 am
> A ball valve would accomplish what the OP wants to accomplish:
>
> The ability to shut off the water after each use without messing with
> the current gate valves, for fear of them leaking due to not being
> used for many years.
>
> I don't think that restricted flow is anything that the OP is
> concerned with.

Correct. I'm not worried about reduced flow.

How do these recessed "washer boxes" get installed? That's what I've
got, it's a WaterTite brand. I gained visual access in the basement
to see what's down there. It's two 1/2" copper (hot and cold) going
straight up through the floor and into the wall beneath the box. The
existing valves sit flush on the bottom of the plastic box, they have
a flange at the base of the valve with flats for a wrench. The drain
goes down in the middle. The pipes are rigid in the vertical
direction (they don't move vertically at all). I see what appears to
be a piece of flattened copper pipe shoved up next to each pipe where
it enters the floor, not sure what that's for. The valves do seem
free in a torsional manner, ie I can force the valves to rotate
slightly about the axis of the vertical pipe meaning I'm twisting the
pipes themselves. The thing that really confuses me though is that
the relatively large PVC drain pipe enters the box inbetween the
valves, and exits through the floor co-planar with the pipes but NOT
inbetween them. Somehow inside the wall, the drain pipe is routed
past one of the copper pipes. I would hope the copper doesn't do a
dogleg in all that, because that might complicate doing anything with
this.

I'm not sure how I would even go about removing the existing valves.
If they are threaded on, I won't be able to remove them because the
pipe flexes torsionally and I can't access the pipe itself to prevent
that. I'm open to suggestions on how to do a proper remove and
replace. But I don't want this to turn into a major project, hence my
desire to just thread ball valves inline before the rubber hoses ;-)

Posted by DerbyDad03 on May 2, 2008, 11:44 am
>
> > A ball valve would accomplish what the OP wants to accomplish:
>
> > The ability to shut off the water after each use without messing with
> > the current gate valves, for fear of them leaking due to not being
> > used for many years.
>
> > I don't think that restricted flow is anything that the OP is
> > concerned with.
>
> Correct. =A0I'm not worried about reduced flow.
>
> How do these recessed "washer boxes" get installed? =A0That's what I've
> got, it's a WaterTite brand. =A0I gained visual access in the basement
> to see what's down there. =A0It's two 1/2" copper (hot and cold) going
> straight up through the floor and into the wall beneath the box. =A0The
> existing valves sit flush on the bottom of the plastic box, they have
> a flange at the base of the valve with flats for a wrench. =A0The drain
> goes down in the middle. =A0The pipes are rigid in the vertical
> direction (they don't move vertically at all). =A0I see what appears to
> be a piece of flattened copper pipe shoved up next to each pipe where
> it enters the floor, not sure what that's for. =A0The valves do seem
> free in a torsional manner, ie I can force the valves to rotate
> slightly about the axis of the vertical pipe meaning I'm twisting the
> pipes themselves. =A0The thing that really confuses me though is that
> the relatively large PVC drain pipe enters the box inbetween the
> valves, and exits through the floor co-planar with the pipes but NOT
> inbetween them. =A0Somehow inside the wall, the drain pipe is routed
> past one of the copper pipes. =A0I would hope the copper doesn't do a
> dogleg in all that, because that might complicate doing anything with
> this.
>
> I'm not sure how I would even go about removing the existing valves.
> If they are threaded on, I won't be able to remove them because the
> pipe flexes torsionally and I can't access the pipe itself to prevent
> that. =A0I'm open to suggestions on how to do a proper remove and
> replace. =A0But I don't want this to turn into a major project, hence my
> desire to just thread ball valves inline before the rubber hoses ;-)

re: But I don't want this to turn into a major project

You may not have a choice. I see 2 possible routes to follow:

You can rig something together by putting mupltiple valves in line
with each other or...

When mentioning the original gate valves, you said: "they are often
seized open, or the packing nut starts leaking
once you turn them, etc). "

It's time to man-up and try the valves. If they're siezed up you'll
know right away. Packing nuts are a piece of cake to replace -
probably easier than all the trouble your going to go through to add
new valves in line. If the valves work, you're problem is solved, if
not, it's time to replace them, regardless of how much work it will
take.

Even if they do work, but you really want ball valves for ease of
operation, it's time grab the tools, open the wall and do the job
properly. Install one of those single handle washer shutoffs like you
would for a new install.



Posted by Stormin Mormon on May 3, 2008, 10:22 pm
Did you ask?

--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
.



A ball valve would accomplish what the OP wants to accomplish:

The ability to shut off the water after each use without messing with
the current gate valves, for fear of them leaking due to not being
used for many years.

I don't think that restricted flow is anything that the OP is
concerned with.



Posted by Stormin Mormon on May 3, 2008, 10:22 pm
What do you want to accomplish?

--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
.

>
>
> Like many others, I want to replace the gate valves on my washer
> supply lines with proper ball valves. I'm comfortable with sweating
> copper pipes where I have good access, which I do not have in this
> case. So what I'd like to do if possible is put a ball valve directly
> on the outlet of each existing gate valve, and then attach my supply
> hoses to the ball valve outlets respectively - all using threaded
> components.
>
> I realize this will involve a variety of adapters and fittings, if
> it's even possible at all. Can someone privy to plumbing terminology
> help me come up with a bill of materials to hand to the local parts
> counter? Or are there compelling reasons not to do it this way?
>
> Thanks!
> dakota2112



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